Zing/Groove use?

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I' ve been wondering about this for a while now, and I guess this is the best place to ask, but what use does the blade on the Zing/Groove have? To me the ''grooved'' pattern on the blade just looks like it would add more resistance when cutting anything. Kind of hard to explain what i mean, but i think you can understand my point.
I know on the Kershaw site in the description of the new Zing it says ''But it also has a unique 3-D machined blade with a “groovy” striated pattern for sheer good looks''
But even though I can' t deny that it looks pretty cool, I still think it just gets in the way:confused:

Can you guys help me out?
 
Actually it provides LESS resistance when cutting.
Much less surface area = less resistance
Much like scalloping a Chef/Santoku knife.

Mr. Martin's Grooves are my most favorite flipper (followed by Tim's JYD series, very closely :D )
I am very eager to have the Zing!'s in hand to try them out.

I found a custom Blue CF Zing for sale, but when I went back it was gone.:(

mike
 
With the striations on the blade you will have less steel on the flat of the blade coming in contact with the material being cut and I tend to think that would reduce resistance. You could always send RJ an email and ask him directly. He's a really nice guy and I think he'd be glad to answer an earnest question about the design.

My experience using the Groove has been that there is not any increase in resistance or reduction in cutting performance compared to other knives with similar blade types (minus the striations).
 
Ah..you' re right about less surface area, didn' t think about that..I guess it sharpens up like any other blade?
Sorry, but I' ve never used a blade like that.
 
This is from the man himself from another thread explaining his design.

The striations on the blade allow air into the cut, which can do good things for you in a couple of different ways.

I've got mine sharpened up stupid sharp BTW. Very easy to do.
 
Actually RJ did address the issue of the striations and sharpening.

Hi guys: Sorry not to have responded to this thread earlier-I have been at the New York Custom Knife Show since Thursday.

I get a lot of questions from people who are concerned about what will happen to the grooves of the knife as it is resharpened. The answer is "ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!".
You can sharpen the blade until there is pretty much nothing left of it, and the only thing that you will see is that the edge bevel will become a bit wider. This is because the edge will become thicker as more and more of the blade is removed from repeated sharpenings. This is the same thing that would happen to any flat ground blade. It will still get sharp, and it will still cut like crazy.

The grooves will always disappear as they meet the edge, just the way they do when the knife is new. So, no need to worry! Sharpen away and enjoy the unique look of the blade!

As to cutting performance, the same general principles apply to the striated or grooved blade as to any regular knife-the cutting performance is directly related to edge sharpness and edge thickness. The standard groove, being flat "ground" will have a slightly thicker (and more robust!) edge than a hollow ground knife.

In cutting soft materials that don't bind when cut, you won't see any difference between a grooved blade and a blade without grooves.

In cutting harder materials like rubber hose, plastic tubing, etc., the grooves actually improve cutting performance because they cut the friction by about 80%. This is because the material being cut is only rubbing on the tops of the ridges!

When I received my first batch of Grooves from Kershaw, I immediately passed them out to my friends with the instructions "Beat the he** out of them". One went to an Electrician, one to a telephone company lineman, one to a powerplant maintenance supervisor, and one to an FBI agent. All of them have been impressed with the edge holding of the steel and the durability of the edge.
One report involved opening cardboard boxes for 2 weeks, at which time the knife was handed to an employee who had a farm. He opened 59 burlap seed bags, shaved wood, and performed other farm related chores. This guy also built houses for hurricane victims. He cut sheetrock for an entire weekend, which was a good verification that the grooves don't impede cutting performance. After all this, my friend restored the knife to shaving sharpness in less than 3 minutes (measured time!) using a ceramic rod sharpener. I'd say that ranks as exceptional performance from a factory knife!

Please keep those questions coming-I'll be here to answer them for you!

BTW, the new, striated Tanto Groove from Kershaw will feature a hollow "ground" blade. This knife promises to really push cutting performance to new levels!

Stay Sharp,

RJ Martin
Groove Designer

To add to the last part of RJ's post, I've added on this reply of his, and a thread link which addresses the faceted portion of the Tanto Groove and upcoming Zing.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538328&highlight=groove

Antihero17 has nailed it with his well Photoshop'd image. THANKS!

What we refer to as "FACETS" are in fact surfaces created by driving a straight line down 2 "rails". The ZING! blade has 3 facets.
These 3 facets form the approximation of a circle, the same way that a stop sign is "almost" round. The edges of the facets are what I refer to as the "rails".

While it would be possible to use facts to approximate a convex grind, the Tanto Groove and ZING! use facets to approximate a hollow grind.

The more facets the blade has, the closer the cross section is to a pure hollow grind. I suppose a traditionally ground hollow ground blade would have "infinite facets". 3 facets seems to work best on a small blade.

I came upon the faceted blade one day when I allowed my computer a bit more tolerance on a difficult surface I was trying to create. I didn't notice the facets until I machined the part, and then I was like, "Cool-People are gonna like this." And they do!
Here is a picture of 2 of my custom knives. The silver blade has wide striations, but you can see the facets if you look closely. The black blade has very small striations, and what you really notice are the facets.

Notice how the light plays on the black blade. I had a customer call and ask how I was able to get 3 different colors powdercoated on the blade so cleanly! When I told him it was all one shade of black he didn't believe me at first.

Striations and facets are really fun to design with. They add complexity and character to the blade, and can really change the overall appearance of a knife. I particularly like how the facets on the ZING! blade follow the top curve of the "grind line" in the plunge area. Took me half a day but I think it was worth it.

ENJOY!
 
Thanks Thomas, I guess I' ll have to get myself a Zing now when they get available:D
 
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