ZT0620cf vs. Southern Grind bad monkey

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Hi, I'm on the fence on which blade to get, I like the bad money more but I've never had any experience with 14C -28N steel, but I have has experience with M390.
So what are your thoughts on these two? Which one over the other and why?
 
If we are purely talking blade steel, there really is no comparison. M390 leaves 14C28N in the dust lying on its back gasping for air and begging to be spared. If it were me, and I was looking for a tanto I would pick up the ZT0620CF without a second thought. While I can't speak for Southern Grind, ZT has some of the best customer service out there. And the fit and finish between the two would be almost identical. So for me it would just come down to blade steel, which again the 0620 wins hands down.
 
I had the bad monkey,it is a very well made knife,super sharp out of the box, perfect in every way, but I think 240 for it is just way too much.I know theres been a lot of debate about the steel being used, and I agree that its not the kind of steel that should be on a 240.00 knife. When I think of 14c28 I think of the Kershaw piston, knockout,and similar knives in the 60.00 range. Its a good steel,but its not the kind of steel that belongs on a knife that expensive.Thats the only thing that bothered me about it.they should have used s35vn or something similar. I think the 620 is a lot more knife for the same amount of money.
 
While I do not have an 0620, I do have a Bad Monkey that I love dearly. I've owned many ZT knives in the past and still own one now (very early 0350), but I have to say that the BM is in a slightly higher class from a F&F standpoint. Overall I would have to say that Southern Grind's QC policy is a little stricter, not to say that ZT's is bad by any means, just that it is apparent that the ZT is a straight production class knife whereas the BM approaches a more mid-tech classification. Just my observations and opinions. Also, with the Bad Monkey, you are getting a more unique product, a knife that doesn't really look like any other from a company that is very passionate about their products. I assure you that Zac Brown did not start Southern Grind because he wanted to get rich.

That being said, it is true that the steel choices that they have respectively used do set these knives apart for sure. While it would seem that a comparison between M390 and 14C28N would be an exercise in futility, they do share some things in common. I own a few knives with M390 (Benchmade 480-1 and 755MPR) and EDC my Bad Monkey fairly often and use them to the point of needing to be sharpened regularly, so I've been able to form some opinions here as well.

Obviously the biggest difference between the two is edge retention, where M390 is undoubtedly superior, but SG's 14C28N is certainly no slouch. From what I've read and observed to a degree, Southern grind has figured out a very good heat treat for their steel. It is very strong and will hold an edge for quite some time. I can break down heavy cardboard boxes all day and still slice paper cleanly afterwards. The difference between the M390 and the 14C28N is that I can do that and go 2-3 days between sharpenings with the M390 whereas the 14C28N I usually end up needing to sharpen it by the end of the day. Either way, the 14C28N is a workhorse and I have no concerns about it letting me down 1/2 way through a job.

They are both very corrosion resistant so that is a non issue.

I find it easier to sharpen the 14C28N than the M390. I never let my edges get very dull. If they won't shave arm hair fairly easily, then they are ready to be sharpened. I find it much easier to keep my knives extremely sharp if I regularly maintain their edges and never let them get too dull. With the BM, a couple of passes on the Sharpmaker brown rods and then the white rods and it's hair-poppingly sharp. And I literally mean a couple passes, The Bad Monkey sharpens up very quickly. The M390 will sharpen just as well on the Sharpmaker, but it takes more than a couple of passes. With the M390 I need to invest a little more time with the corners and flats on both the brown and white rods.

I haven't noticed any chipping with either steel, and only slight rolling when hitting a staple (breaking down boxes) or sometimes when I'm careless doing something stupid around the shop (like trimming a wooden gunstock and slipping and hitting the steel receiver, I have done this on more than 1 occasion).

So, I guess in summarizing, yes, M390 is a better steel, but the 14C28N on the Bad Monkey is VERY good in it's own right. By no means is it the same blade that you would receive when you buy a Kershaw, not hardly. With the Bad Monkey's heat treat and blade geometry, you get a very strong blade that sharpens easily and will work all day long with minimal maintenance afterwards. Trust me when I say that if I wasn't completely satisfied with the performance of the steel on the Bad Monkey, I would not own the knife. Not only am I satisfied, but I intend to keep that knife forever.
 
Having only owned one ZT, a 300, and having owned two BM's, I would pick the BM. Really that is no shot at the ZT, I just prefer the looks and the uniqueness of the Southern Grind product. It is something that everyone else wont have, even among knife enthusiasts. It is good looking, sharp, big, and light for its size. It has high QC and F&F, and they do have great customer service in my experience. I will say that if you just look at the stat sheet the ZT probably wins. Judging by materials alone you probably do get more for your money with the ZT, but the BM has a little more soul, if that makes sense. Either one would make a fine knife, get the one you like the looks of better.
 
I emailed the company some time back to ask about the lockbar, how they planned on covering wear, and if there was anything done to the lockbar to help stop wear and galling of the titanium.

I was told that no, there is no treatment to the lockbar, but they do use "thicker titanium than most on our lock, that along with the intricate geometry in that area" to help extend lockbar life.

They will replace a lock that fails because of factory defect, but " There is no warranty for general wear and tear of the locking area."


Between that, the steel choice, and the price....I just cannot bring myself to pick one up.



My ZT0620CF, on the other hand, has been excellent.
 
I've had both. These are similarly priced knives. Keep in mind I'm not a big ZT fan. But....the 0620cf has better fit and finish, much better blade steel, and feels much more substantial in hand. The BM I had was fine, I just didn't like that particular tanto and the knife overall didn't do much for me.
 
I emailed the company some time back to ask about the lockbar, how they planned on covering wear, and if there was anything done to the lockbar to help stop wear and galling of the titanium.

I was told that no, there is no treatment to the lockbar, but they do use "thicker titanium than most on our lock, that along with the intricate geometry in that area" to help extend lockbar life.
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This has changed. They now carbidize the lockbar face.
 
Considering we sell both and I love both I will not weigh in much on this conversation. I think every statement made has been a fair statement. I will add that Southern Grind is more of a midtech operation and that all profits do go to support Camp Southern Grind. Regardless of what you buy, I do not think you will regret your decision! If we can help you out in any way let me know!

Whitty


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