ZT0801 - Why No Lockbar Stabilizer

[ncrockclimb]

Title says it. I just got my ZT0801. It is awesome. I love it! However, I just noticed that it doesn't have a lockbar stabilizer. It seems like most other ZT knives have this feature. Does anyone know why this knife does not?

 

[mqqn]

The lockbar cutout is cut with a bias which interferes with the lockbar before it can be over-traveled.

best

mqqn

 

[ncrockclimb]

The lockbar cutout is cut with a bias which interferes with the lockbar before it can be over-traveled.

best

mqqn

Thanks for the reply.

Please forgive my ignorance, but I don't understand what you mean by "cut with a bias." Can you explain?

 

[PURPLEDC]

actually the only kai knife I have ever seen that the actual lockbar was cut with a bias was the TILT which prevented overtravel. The 0801 has its overtravel stop machined into the hardened lockbar insert and this is now how most ZT knives sans the hinder designed models prevent overtravel. Its there you just cant see it anymore.

 

[mqqn]

actually the only kai knife I have ever seen that the actual lockbar was cut with a bias was the TILT which prevented overtravel. The 0801 has its overtravel stop machined into the hardened lockbar insert and this is now how most ZT knives sans the hinder designed models prevent overtravel. Its there you just cant see it anymore.

This is correct- I remember that now....

The Speedform also had the lockbar cut on a bias as the over-travel stop.

ncrockclimb - if you look at the lockbar insert, it extends just enough to catch the frame and prevent the lock from moving too far and being bent.

By cut on a bias, I mean that the angle of the cut is so extreme, that when the lockbar is pushed outward, the frame would interfere and prevent the over-travel, but as purple correctly points out, this is not the case on the 801, although the cutout "kerf" is very thin on the 801, typical of the cutouts cut on a bias.

best

mqqn

 

[ncrockclimb]

AHH! I see it now that I look for it! Thanks for taking the time to reply!

 

[Sonnydaze]

...and then I suppose there are some folks, like me, that see no need for the LBS. My Zaan worked just fine without one, as do other framelocks that I've owned.

 

[Burke]

...and then I suppose there are some folks, like me, that see no need for the LBS. My Zaan worked just fine without one, as do other framelocks that I've owned.

It's not a feature that would keep me from buying a knife but I do think it's beneficial in certain circumstance. I understand the Hinderer version not just prevents over travel but also prevents slight vertical movement of the lockbar, helping to maintain lock geometry.

 

[PURPLEDC]

...and then I suppose there are some folks, like me, that see no need for the LBS. My Zaan worked just fine without one, as do other framelocks that I've owned.

well I must say I appreciate them now that I have them. I have got so used to my knives having them that I dont take care when closing them anymore. The last time I used a knife that didnt have one It required a full disassembly to correct the now non existent lockup. And I really dont like yielding the metal more than necessary. I know it can probably be done more than once but I always feel like something has been compromised and it bugs. me. I think there are many things on a knife that arent needed. But this isnt really a hobby based on needs in my case.