Zytel or G-10?

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I have been thinking of getting a Cold Steel Recon 1 Tonto. Looking around at some dealer's sites I have seen them advertised with either Zytel or G-10 scales.

I had thought that G-10 was a more expensice material, but the advertised prices are about the same.

So, is there any practical differance in these materials that I, as a user, should consider?
 
Without getting into my personal feelings about CS, to answer your questions G10 and Zytel are BOTH synthetic materials, I believe G10 uses Glass fibers and Zytel uses nylon. I could be wrong about that, though.

G10 is usually considered the more "premium" material, and if I were set on buying that knife I'd go with the G10. It DOES have a greater tensile strength than Zytel, and you can get a good texture on it that I don't find acheivable with Zytel.
 
zytel is pretty much nylon, their are many variations of it. some manufactures use straight zytel which is nylon some use glass reinforced zytel which is FRN
 
Nothing against Zytel, but some people find it cheap. I prefer G-10 because it is grippier. Some manufacturers make use of FRN better than others. Like Spyderco's new Endura/Delica 4 do great with their newly textured FRN. I would go with the G-10.
 
G10 is generally considered the better material.

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Also, AFAIR, Sal Glesser said that Zytel is a brand name FRN; there are other brands of FRN. "FRN" is the generic name for the stuff.
 
Are we sure this isn't just a mistake with the store descriptions? When did CS ever release the Recon1 series in G10? Is it a new thing for this year?
 
Be careful of the websites. A while back I saw some Recon 1's advertised as G-10 but the handles were all zytel. To make matters even more confusing, CS just starting selling the recon 1's with G-10 handles. This started with the latest catalog so it's been about one month now. Most retailers will still have the older zytel stock, so if in doubt call customer support and ask a *knowledgeable* human being. If the reply is to the line of: "If that's what the ad said it is then it must be so" I wouldn't buy.

BTW, I bought a Clip point Recon 1 last winter. It is a good knife thou I haven't ran it through any hardships yet. The zytel has a decent amount of grip to it but not as much as in the voyagers (less checkering). If you can, buy G-10. The new design looks better (deeper checkering) and G-10 should grip better, but I haven't handled a new version yet. Also, I never noticed much difference between zytel and G-10. They both feel like dense plastic to me. But to me that is good enough.
 
My vote's for zytel/frn. Make a poll with all hte handle choices. I want to see quantified preferences. Obviously overwhelmingly g10, it's rougher, grippier, but I bet there are those out there who prefer alternate grips that aren't as rough on pockets etc.
 
Hey Guys....

Hey Clint..Good to see you here..

Generally I usually prefer G10 of Zytel,, however on certain knives it's ok..

Instead of the Recon,, have a look at the Buck/Strider Military.. A Very excellent knife at around $60USD..

I've got one,,and really,,really like it....

ttyle

Eric....
 
I much prefer G-10, but Zytel / FRN makes a good handle too, especially if the knife has full metal liners, ala the new Spyderco endura / delica. I think that knives with FRN handles that don't have full metal liners flex too much and just feel cheap.
 
I would go with G-10 any day. And yes, CS is making the Recons in G-10 now. I handled one at a local show. A nice feature that unfortunately does not make up for a poorly made knife, imo.
 
Here's the scoop...

Zytel, as was pointed out, is a trade name for the material commonly known as FRN, which stands for "fiber reinforced nylon". Nylon itself is extremely resilient and tough, but somewhat soft. FRN has fibers (usually glass) mixed in while the nylon is in a liquid state; when cooled and hardened, the fibers are aligned randomly throughout the nylon matrix, adding significant stiffness.

G-10 is made very differently: woven fiberglas fabric is stacked in layers, saturated in a liquid phenolic, and baked under pressure until the phenolic is hard like old-fashioned bakelite. The idea is similar to FRN, but the roles are sorta reversed: the phenolic matrix is stiff but brittle, and the woven fiber provides toughness.

The other main difference is in strength. FRN has fibers that are arranged randomly throughout the material, so it's about as strong in all directions. (Actually, the fibers often align somewhat with the "flow" of FRN as it's injected into the mold, but not enough to change it's properties significantly.) G-10, on the other hand, has nearly all of its fibers running parallel to the surface, making it significantly stronger in an application such as a knife scale. However, strength testing on real-work knives show that both materials are plenty strong enough for making a knife handle; even an FRN handle with no liners will withstand stresses that will shear pivot pins, locking mechanisms or blade tangs!

FRN is popular on low-end knives because it can be injection molded into just about any shape you can build a mold for, including any sort of surface texture you like. It's also economical in mass production: once the tooling is made, FRN knife handles can be cranked out quickly, for little more than the cost of the material, and require little or no fitting or finishing after molding.

G-10 is made in sheets of slabs, and must be cut and machined to shape. This significantly limits the range of shapes that can be manufactured. (Example: Chase Axin (chaxknives.com) tried making machined G-10 replacements for the molded scales of the Benchmade Griptilian, but found that it was extremely difficult, extremely time-consuming, and hence not cost-effective, even for a custom maker such as himself.) There are some knives that use 3D CNC machining to achieve more interesting, less slab-like scales, such as the Benchmade Ares and Kershaw Spec Bump, but that requires expensive tooling and time.

G-10 does lend itself to roughened surface finish, that's nearly ideal for a knife. The process consists of bead-blasting the smooth surface of the G-10, which wears away the relatively brittle phenolic matrix, while leaving the tougher, phenolic-hardened fiberglas fabric raised above the surface. Depending on how much blasting is done, you can get a finish anywhere from a dull sheen, to a soft canvas-like feel, to rough as sandpaper.
 
I greatly prefer G10 it is grippier, more durable, and nicer looking IMO. Also the fact that I find it on my more expensive/mid range folders that adds to that mentality. With that being said FRN is a good handle material but to me there is nothing like g10 scales and a titanium liners on a folder.
 
I prefer zytel/frn in general. The limited shapes of G10 and the fact that I don't care for its finish/texture make me prefer the ergonomics of knives like the Griptilian to the Manix etc. But with that said, I wish Delicas had G10 scales because they have pretty flat handle surfaces and wouldn't be hard to machine out of G10 and they might feel more substatial on a knife that has no liners.
 
I prefer G10. I have a Manix and Military from Spyderco, and a Benchmade Sequel. Both have G10, full handles on the Spydies, inserts on the BM. The BM handles are nowhere near as nice as that on the Spydies.
 
For me, it all depends on who's FRN/ Zytel etc. we are talking about. If we are talking about Spyderco's FRN, then I love it, becuae it is so grippy. But, I very much prefer G-10. It is very grippy. If we are talkign about other companies Zytel etc., the I very much prefer G-10.
 
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