01, A2, D2 Steels Are Mediocre!

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Hello group,

With respect, Bladeforum members that believe that 01, A2 and D2 steel should be considered high-end steels :thumbdn: are incorrect. If we go by what crucible steel believes, 01, A2 and D2 steel are now reallocated to the lower end of knife steel quality.

Crucible Industries summarizes steels "GENERALLY SPEAKING" as follows:

First Place:: 3V, M4, 9V, 10V, T15, 15V

Second Place: S7, A9

Third Place: CruWear, M2

Fourth Place: O1, A2, D2 :thumbdn:

For a good study on the subject please see this article:

http://www.crucibleservice.com/eselector/general/generalpart1.html

Cordially,

BabyJWuu :D
 
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A whole lot of stuff gets cut every day by your so-called "mediocre" steels. 99 times out of 100, the thing being cut won't notice the difference, and neither does the one using it if he maintains his blade as he should.

IMHO, there are so few knives made out of "super steel" that if that's what you base your criteria on, you have eliminated about 95% of the knives on the market.
 
BabyJWuu said:
Hello group,

With respect, Bladeforum members that believe that 01, A2 and D2 steel should be considered high-end steels :thumbdn: are incorrect. If we go by what crucible steel believes, 01, A2 and D2 steel are now reallocated to the lower end of knife steel quality. :p

Crucible Industries summarizes steels "GENERALLY SPEAKING" as follows:

First Place:: 3V, M4, 9V, 10V, T15, 15V

Second Place: S7, A9

Third Place: CruWear, M2

Fourth Place: O1, A2, D2 :thumbdn:

For a good study on the subject please see this article:

http://www.crucibleservice.com/eselector/general/generalpart1.html

Cordially,

BabyJWuu :D
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How you got these results from that article are beyond me. What property of the steels are your posted results for anyway? High-endedness?

Hey, don't mind me... troll away, it seems to be a new crusade for you.
 
The very first paragraph of that article states
The success of a metal forming tool depends on optimizing all the factors affecting its performance.
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Knives aren't metal forming tools. That article is about dies and similar industrial production tools. It is completely irrelevant to cutlery.
 
Crap, now I have to throw away all my customs in 01, D2, and A2. I sure will miss their edge holding and toughness. :rolleyes:
 
grizzled gizzard said:
A whole lot of stuff gets cut every day by your so-called "mediocre" steels. 99 times out of 100, the thing being cut won't notice the difference, and neither does the one using it if he maintains his blade as he should.

IMHO, there are so few knives made out of "super steel" that if that's what you base your criteria on, you have eliminated about 95% of the knives on the market.
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Hello GG :)

I agree with your opinion, for 95% of us, so called "mediocre steels" are more that adequate. For example, Crucible Industries neither mentioned 1095 nor rated it, so I assume that means it so far off the charts it is no longer considered a contender. However, 1095 is one of the most common knife steels used, it cuts adequately and can be used as a light pry bar, if needed, etc.

I think it is okay to discuss various knife steels, it allows me to keep learning and I presume some of you. :)

Thank you for your input.

BabyJWuu :D
 
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elkins45 said:
The very first paragraph of that article states

Knives aren't metal forming tools. That article is about dies and similar industrial production tools. It is completely irrelevant to cutlery.
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I agree. As soon as I read the top two lines I didn't even proceed. Duh!! Not knives!!
GENERAL INFORMATION

Selection of Tool & Die Steels
 
Thrill said:
I agree. As soon as I read the top two lines I didn't even proceed. Duh!! Not knives!! GENERAL INFORMATION Selection of Tool & Die Steels
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These are the same steels used for knives, the information is relevant :)

Cordially,

BabyJWuu
 
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elkins45 said:
The very first paragraph of that article states

Knives aren't metal forming tools. That article is about dies and similar industrial production tools. It is completely irrelevant to cutlery.
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Haahaa! BabyJWuu, this is what the kids call "getting pwn3d". What makes it more sweet, is that your trolling wasn't even that good. You need to work on reading comprehension, eh?

Nice cover up with the "we're all learning" line. Classic troll bait. Made even sweeter that you were put in your place so quickly. Remember, BabyJ, don't troll the pros.
 
I never bothered to do anything more then scan the document. Regardless of your feeling on the OP much of it (if not fabricated) looks like good info. I don't see how someone can say analyzing properties of tool steel is not relevant simply because its shaped into a knife but whatever. I never read it because I don't care...I have never claimed any steel is better then any other steel unless you consider rust resistance and maybe 420 stainless.

To have a steel test 'relevant' here you would have to have the same knife, same steel, forged by the same company, mined in the same day, by the same miner, etc. I have scene cutting tests that could be considered legit scientific method (and I spent 2 years studying it) but people brush it off after finding a single third, yet non confounding, variable.

Your never going to convince someone that their favorite steels aren't the best.
 
BabyJWuu said:
These are the same steels used for knives, the information is relevant :)

Cordially,

BabyJWuu
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It is not. It is no more relevant than if you found an article ranking how they perform as electric motor armature shafts.

A material that performs very well for one task may be completely inappropriate for a relatively similar one. There is little similarity between cutting wood and punching out metal stampings or swaging copper electrical fittings.

Give this one up, because the more you protest it is relevant the more you really do seem like a troll.
 
Hello group,

With respect, I find it fascinating that the nay-sayers offer nothing to defend their position that the old steels are still relevant great steels. Just claim the person is trolling and hide from the facts :)

Cordially,

BabyJWuu :D
 
I love these threads, talking about steel types on abstract terms! A knife is a knife... not a steel! I had enough of this when I made a review of a titanium knife. Suddenly everyone was an expert and had to say that "titanium doesn't cut" and that my knife was a waste of money. Ah... gotta love these threads. 1095 steel is rubbish (it needs maintenance), kraton handles are rubbish (they get marked too easily and make my hands blister), G10 is rubbish (some people find it slippery, other too grippy), Ti-framelocks are rubbish (I'm not lefty, but those who are say so!), everything, in theory, is rubbish!
 
BabyJWuu said:
Hello group,

With respect, I find it fascinating that the nay-sayers offer nothing to defend their position that the old steels are still relevant great steels. Just claim the person is trolling and hide from the facts :)

Cordially,

BabyJWuu :D
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I'm not defending a position. I have no position. I'm just pointing out that you are basing YOUR assumptions on irrelevant and inappropriate data. That facts you have presented don't need to be hidden from.

Can you find an article for us ranking how they perform as toothbrush handles? It would be just as relevant.
 
BabyJWuu said:
I find it fascinating that the nay-sayers offer nothing to defend their position that the old steels are still relevant great steels . . .
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Except the fact, of course, that some of the most well-respected knifemakers on the planet construct knives using alloys you've dismissed as irrelevant.
 
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