01 Tool Steel Heat Treat for Newbie

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Good Morning to All,
This is my first time to the sight and I can't believe my great fortune I found.
This site is Great.

I am brand new to knife making, and I have (2) blanks that I just created.
With all my time into the blanks, I am affraid to have them heat treated by
just any metal processing facility. I have tried to "Search" the site for info,
but it seems like the Search function isn't working on my machine.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am looking for someone to
heat treat my 2 blanks. I have no idea what this costs, and I am willing
to ship the blanks anywhere I need to. The Material is 01 Tool Steel

Thanks for the help :)
apbremers@msn.com

Phil Bremer
 
Thanks for the response: I looked into Texas Knifemakers and they
do heat treat carbon steels, but only if it is Air Hardening.
0-1 requires a Quench in oil.

Phil
 
Depending on the size of the blades, you could do it yourself without needing much more than propane or MAPP gas torches and oil. Without a forge, an depending on the thickness of the blades, anything over 3-4" long could be tough, though.
 
How do you HT O1? I have a freind who just asked me this question but, I haven't used O1 before.
 
Hi Philip
Why not do it yourself?
I am also brand new to knife making and to the forum.
My second blade was o-1.
I made a small forge according to Wayne Goddard's one brick forge plan, and it worked great. If you're not familiar, you just take a soft firebrick and hollow it out with a drill and a spade bit.Make the hole completely through lengthwise. then drill a hole in the side about half way(this is your burner port)
It only cost me $39 for a bernzomatic jth7 torch.
As the book says heat it up till a magnet wont stick plus a little longer, then a you're ready to quench.
I'm sure you will get a lot of good advice. Lots of generous people here.
Pat
 
I wouldn't mind trying some day, but...
I have a lot of time into these blades and do not
want to mess them now.

THanks for the suggestion.
Phil
 
Where are you located? If you are near any of the knifemakers here I'm shure you could find some help for doing it yourself.


Matt Matlock
 
Actually,
I was hoping to meet someone here that does it.
I would prefer to have someone else do it and they could just
add my blades to their batch for a small fee.
(Or, are blades treated individually? I have no idea)

I would also like to hear comments on the blades themselves but I do
not know how to post a photo. I thought you guys could provide a little
feedback so I could learn about my strengths and weakness as a first-time
knifemaker.

Phil
 
kingfisher studio said:
Hi Philip
I made a small forge according to Wayne Goddard's one brick forge plan, and it worked great. If you're not familiar, you just take a soft firebrick and hollow it out with a drill and a spade bit.Make the hole completely through lengthwise. then drill a hole in the side about half way(this is your burner port)
Pat

Since I have something to heat treat now I've been slowly looking for parts to make a small forge. Have you actually used this method? I only have one blade to heat treat. Maybe this would be something interesting to try. I'd really like to see pictures of one of these if anyone has them.

-Andrew
 
aalbinger said:
Since I have something to heat treat now I've been slowly looking for parts to make a small forge. Have you actually used this method? I only have one blade to heat treat. Maybe this would be something interesting to try. I'd really like to see pictures of one of these if anyone has them.

-Andrew
Hi Andrew
Yes I used it. works great .
The soft brick should cost you no more thatn $4.If you can find a potter in your area they just might give you one.
Make sure you get a torch with a hot enough tip.I learned that one first hand.
the one I mentioned above is recommended.
I'll try to get you some pics, but it wont be before Monday
Also they are fragile, and tend to crack in short order. Nothing that will stop it from functioning though
Pat
 
Where are you located? You might be able to find local maker to help.

I'll echo everyone else who said HT yourself...;)

Matt
 
aalbinger said:
Since I have something to heat treat now I've been slowly looking for parts to make a small forge. Have you actually used this method? I only have one blade to heat treat. Maybe this would be something interesting to try. I'd really like to see pictures of one of these if anyone has them.

-Andrew
One brick forges:

See the "Wayne Goddard" link here. You can also get a lot of the things you need to make a forge from him.

Take the Shop Tour here and look for the photo labeled "A close up view of the forge before going into operation."; there is a one brick forge in the background.

Micro Forge.

This
thread has info and links that will show you how to post photos.

Welcome to the forums.
Regards.
Greg
 
Phil,
I make damascus steel out of o-1 & l-6. I have been making knives for over 18 years now. I have a professional heat treat setup, and would be happy to heat treat your blades for $5 each plus return shipping.
Delbert Ealy
www.ealyknives.com
 
That's a good picture of the one brick forge at Anvilfire. Andrew I could have sent mine home with you, I just didn't think of it until now. If you don't get a brick before your next trip over here, I'll do that. But really, that's something everyone using simple steels should have. It's just too easy of a trick to pass up.

Phil, welcome to the forum. Don't hesitate to learn to do your own heat treating. That's one of the biggest benefits to using simple carbon steel, you can do your own HT and not have the expense or turnaround time of having someone else do it. Plus, it's all your own work. It's the heat treating that makes a knife-shaped piece of steel into a knife; if you want to say you made a knife it seems you'd almost have to do your own HT, right? ;)

It's very straightforward. Heat the blade evenly until it comes to critical temp, and allow to cool at least to black, or even to handling temp. You can tell critical temp because that's when a magnet will no longer stick to the blade. As a guide, yhe color will be orange, shifting to red, but that's a very subjective thing. The magnet is more accurate. Reheat to critical, cool. Reheat to critical, cool. This is normalizing and will relieve the stresses built up in the steel from grinding, help prevent warping.

It's important not to overheat the steel, so check often and keep the blade moving in the heat.

Heat to critical a fourth time, hold it there for a slow count of five, and quench in warm (120 degree) oil. You have about one second to get the knife from critical to quenched, so practice your moves a couple of times beforehand. :)

You can use simple vegetable oil from the grocery store or get very scientific about it. Some people use ATF mixed with kerosene, some use old motor oil. There are also specialized quenchants available but for your first few knives you don't have to worry about that. I still use veggie oil and have good results.

You can quench the entire knife or just the edge. Most makers just quench the edge, leaving the spine and tang softer, tougher. Be sure to move the blade in a lengthwise motion while it's quenching to keep even cooling along its edge. Do not move the blade side to side.

When the blade cools enough that you can hold it in your hand, put it in your preheated oven at 400 degrees (O1) for two hours. (You should wipe the oil off the blade before you do that or you'll be in the dog house for sure.) You can repeat this cycle after it's cooled.

And you're done. Test with a file to make sure the blade really did harden. If a file takes flakes of steel off the edge, start over. ;) I usually sharpen the knife at this point and do some test cutting with it to be sure I got what I think I did.

Big caveat: This is how I do it. Others have far more experience than I do and may have better suggestions. Listen to everyone and figure out your own way of getting there. You'll have no more satisfaction than learning your steel and getting every bit of performance out of it you can. O1 is very forgiving and even a not-quite-perfect heat treat will yield a workable blade.

On the other hand, you would not go wrong taking Delbert's offer. I'm just showing my bias toward DIY. ;)

Good luck and let us see what you've made!
 
Great timing on this topic. I'm in the process of making a couple blades from som 01 stock I was given and have been wondering about HT.

Thanks guys.

John
 
Hey guys,
I have been thinking about doing the one brick forge thing, for HT'ing blades I make. Can someone answer the following questions for me?
1. What type of steels will the "one brick forge" work with? Why do I always hear of guys using the cheaper steels like 0-1 in them? Will these home-made mini forges not work with steels such as S30-V etc?

2. As I said, I'm trying to decide on a good forge, and was wondering what is the best option for me? I am serious about knifemaking, and in the end, I will want something nice. What is the "cadillac" of all HT'ing options, as far as home shops go?
Are those Heat Treat ovens considered to be "top of the line" for home shop knifemakers? (I forget the name of the HT oven I see mentioned so often, but Peter Atwood used one in his video I think) What do these HT ovens cost?

3. Why do most big name makers send their knives to Paul Bos? Is this to save time only?
Sorry guys, but HT'ing is not something I had been planning to do, but as mentioned above, I NOW see that it is something I will be wanting to do. It will be a great accomplishment!
 
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