1.5" round OK for drawing dies?

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I'm still building my forging press bit by bit. A friend just gave me a foot of 1.5" round 4140. I'm wondering if that is too small of a radius for drawing dies. Would it tend to cause cold shuts, or start to? I'm imagining using limit blocks for even drawing...

What do you think? Also, for laddering dies, is it necessary to use a heat treatable steel, or will they last a long time when made from mild?
 
The major issues with taking too big of a bite with a press on damascus is shearing welds and MAJOR delamination at the ends if you press too hard in the middle.
 
Salem, I have a handful of different drawing dies, but the two sets I use the most were both made from 3/4" thick X 3" wide flat bar.

Set 1- I ground down to a nice even arc. They will draw out VERY fast.

Set 2- Same flat bar, but with a facet ground on front and back, leaving a small flat in the center peak (got this idea from my friend Mike Quesenberry)

The second set still draws fast, but with less chance of crazy pattern deformation in damascus billets.

Deforming the pattern drastically (when NOT intentional) is, for me, a bigger concern with the drawing dies than things like shearing or cold shuts.

You can go down to very small diameter round for drawing in certain circumstances, AS LONG AS you're careful, as I'm sure YOU will be Salem. :)

I have one set made from 1" round. I rarely use them, but it's nice to have them when I need 'em. They can darn near pinch a bar in half.


About 95% of my press dies are mild steel. My ladder dies were initially made with some mild rounds, but I upgraded to A2. I didn't heat-treat it, just pre-heated the ends of each rod before tacking in place. The dies with A2 have seen about 4 times as many billets as the mild did, but are in much better shape than the mild was in. Another thanks to Mike Quesenberry for helping me with that! :)
 
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Those would make good tang drawing dies...but not for drawing a billet. I usually suggest a 3X1" bar rounded to an arc.
 
Thanks for all the input guys. Maybe I'll save the 4140 for making hammers or hardies. If I can use some 3/4 or 1" x 3" mild rounded to an arc, I'll do that for sure instead. Hell, I'll get enough 1" bar to make the two sets Nick mentioned. As for drawing dies, if you come back and read this thread again Nick and care to elaborate, what size round A2 did you use and what spacing on centers,etc.?

I've made ladder by cutting the pattern in with an angle grinder, but using a ladder die sounds preferable to me.
 
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