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Guys let me hear what you think. I have grown up in a nice normal home with no weirdness, father went to work every day, mom stayed home to cook and clean. No fighting nothing abnormal. But when i date women from shady backrounds that grew up in abuseive and disfuntional homes, it just never seems to work out. It seems like they just dont want to have a nice normal relationship, and there is always weird shady crap that pops up. I try not to judge people by their past, so i give these women a fair chance, but they just dont want normal relationships. Has anyone else ever found this to be true?
 
Coming from an abusive home instills the acceptance of abusive behavior towards someone they love. They think that because "I was treated poorly" it is acceptable and don't think about the possibility that someone actually does care for them. This scares them. They truly don't know what real love is. To them abusive behavior amounts to love. I have seen more than my fair share of abusive family situations in the course of my career. It's sad really to think that these otherwise beautiful people have a family life that is pure hell. Getting involved with someone like that takes alot of guts and patience. The hardest part is trying to convince the person to accept the fact that not all relationships are abusive and that love is meant to heal, not hurt.
 
Vermont woodsman said:
It seems like they just dont want to have a nice normal relationship,


The certainly do what a "normal relationship"... they just have a different definition of "normal relationship" than you.

They want a nice, normal relationship, just like their mom and dad had.
 
When it comes to people you better believe I judge someone by their past , IT IS WHO THEY ARE.

If it is a woman you want to spend time with in a serious way then you better find out about her parents relationship as that is what she grew up with and likely will perpetuate to some degree. Some people can rise above their surroundings in some ways but old patterns of close relationships are ingrained no matter what.

If you ever think about marriage then go see a marriage counselor first you will be glad you did.

" How I missed her, how I missed her... till I kissed her little sister "
 
One of the reasons I heartely detest rapists and abusers is that an abused woman is more often than not damaged goods :mad: . she's the one who will be calling you every ten minutes wondering where you are.
 
simple answer to this is if you want to have a normal relationship. Find a girl who comes from a family that is similar to yours. People who come from broken families usually are broke themselves.


the other thing dude..plain and simple. you cannot ever ever change people. No matter how much you try to Love, counsel, protect this person if they do not want to change from their broken past they will not change. The will to change comes from within not from someone else.
 
awesome , awesome...replys guys. Alot of my problem is me, i keep dating the same kind of women and expect different results. But you guys are so right, i guess you just cant make someone " see the light'' . So from now on im not going to over look someones past, ive done it to many times, and always ended up with the same pattern. Thanks for all the great advice. :)
 
I would agree that the basic rule is probably that a person from a broken home will repeat their experience in future relationships. However, I believe, like in all situations, an overly broad description will limit you from some very worthwhile people. Just because someone was from a broken home doesn't mean that they necessarily don't know there's another way to live. For example, my parents divorced when I was 11 or 12. Before then, we had what you would call a picture perfect family. My parents NEVER fought. I really mean that too. I NEVER saw them fight throughout my entire childhood until the divorce. Before that they were a power couple who were very affectionate with each other. The divorce was sudden and shocking.

By the time of the divorce, I had already learned how a healthy family operates. I have NEVER been in an unhealthy relationship. I have never had a man even threaten me much less hit me. I never had jealousy issues with men (in either direction). And, I didn't play games with the men that I dated either. The reason that I had such a healthy outlook was because of what I saw at home as a child. I knew the difference between healthy and unhealthy relationships. Most importantly, I've always had very high self-esteem and self-respect. That doesn't make me a snob, it's just so unusual in today's day that people fail to realize that that's the way women are supposed to see themselves.

Anyhow, each person's life experience is different. By most people's standards, I am the quintessential "broken home" girl. From the divorce on, you couldn't get any nastier. I've always believed it was because the break was so intensely painful for my parents because they did have it so good. Yet, my beginnings were far healthier than most. I had a competitive spirit, and through my successes, I learned that I have the power to control my destiny, and I will.

So, if you do decide to limit your dating experience to those whose families mirror your own, I think that you have limited your potential for true fulfillment and happiness. Perhaps, the problem isn't that you are dating girls from broken homes. Perhaps, the problem is that you are dating girls with low self-esteem and/or no self-respect. A poor personal image "will" destroy a person's potential.

Anyhow, I often share my experiences online because I believe that there are too many examples of the negative, ie, the failures. There are a lot of children out there who are experiencing tremendous challenges all alone. I often share my background in the hopes that people realize that the fight is always in us as long as we still have a heartbeat.
 
Pentlatch said:
When it comes to people you better believe I judge someone by their past , IT IS WHO THEY ARE.

That is not true. My parents were wonderful. My mom was a stay-at-home mom until I was thirteen. My father bought me two horses and riding equipment and riding lessons from the time I was ten until I graduated high school, and then he and she both took care of my horses for me while I was away at college, right up until I graduated and had to make the difficult decision to move out of the area.

My dad also drove me and my horses to shows. (I know it was a slight bit of a "prestige" thing for him too, especially when I'd win ribbons and/or trophies, but he still didn't have to do any of it, or take the time to go to shows with me.)

My parents never got drunk in front of us or "fought", although they did argue a lot. I knew they loved each other but weren't in love. They still gave my sister and me everything they could and I will never blame them for all the problems I have had since "leaving" them.

I fell into a bad group my senior year of high school, after getting out of a relationship with an older man who abused me. I went downhill from there, although I have dealt with depression since I was about ten.

I did it myself; maybe the first guy left that mark on me; maybe I was being rebellious and got myself into some bad situations, but I would NEVER blame my parents, and for the most part, I had a healthy, happy childhood.

~ashes
 
Pentlatch said:
When it comes to people you better believe I judge someone by their past , IT IS WHO THEY ARE.

I tend to agree with statement simply because a large majority of people cannot change their past. Your past will always come back to haunt you. Even though you may think you have changed from your past life the things you did and saw and experienced will have an impact on your future. Sure, some people are pretty good at hiding the pain of the past but they are miserable people on the inside regardless of the false persona on the outside. Your upbringing will most certainly have a lasting effect on who you are.
 
Everyone has problems. There's no such thing as a perfect background when it comes to living, breathing human beings. Yeah, people are damn well defined by their past. That includes past successes too. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that people with a negative history are all miserable people and that some just hide it better than others. What a crock of sh*t. Everyone deals with pain differently. Some people hold onto it and make it their excuse for all future failings. That includes people from Ward Cleaver type backgrounds too. Others turn their problems into a challenge to make their lives better. Everyone absorbs negativity differently too. Some people get emotional over the most ridiculous things imaginable. Others have a much higher threshhold.

My grandmother came from a terribly broken home. She was happily married for 54 years. She was always happy because she was in love and enjoyed a beautiful family. I'm going to call her right now and explain to her that she's supposed to be a miserable human being. I've known plenty of people who came from broken homes, and as a result, they did everything they could in their families to make it happy and long-lasting. My sister-in-law was terribly abused as a child. She's the warmest, upbeat wife and mother that anyone could ever meet. She's been married to my brother for 13 happy years. I'll ask her if it's all a facade. :rolleyes:

It sounds like pessimism to me to focus exclusively on the negative. It's sounds more like your problem than theirs. If you're going to judge someone by their past, judge them from their entire past not just the negative. Saying that people cannot change their lifestyle flies in the face of all of those who are doing just that everyday.
 
Transactional Analysis psychology has a good handle on why people repeat the same relationship over and over with different people. Read Games People Play and What Do You Say After You Say Hello? That will help you figure out what game and role the girls you date are stuck in, and more important what role you're stuck in. There is a reason why your life keeps repeating itself, and once you understand it you can break out of it.
 
A persons past is what has shaped who they are. Now, maybe they used their experiences as a motivation to be better people or maybe they use those experiences as excuses for all their problems. That depends on the person I think. Lots of really well balanced, what we would consider "normal", productive people have come from pretty bad pasts. Just as there are many people who seemingly had everything, turn out to be really messed up. Humans, go figure.

Vermont Woodsman, many people get involved with people whom they think they can "fix". The sad truth is, it's very, very difficult to "fix" someone who does not recognize they need "fixing" or see no need to change. In some cases, it's simply your opinion that they need "fixing" anyway, when in fact many other folks might consider them perfectly fine the way they are. Yes, everyone has problems and quirks. However, it's your willingness or ability to deal with someone elses problems without allowing it to negatively impact you and your life is the question. A relationship is a partnership where that partnership is good for both of you not just one of you. Where your life is better (for both of you) together than apart.

To over simplify this, do you want to buy a car that needs restoration or one that you are happy with the way it is.

mike
 
Vermont: Have you ever heard of "young man's disease"? Essentially, it is the desire of a good guy to "save" a bad girl, turning her into a paragon of virtue who only has eyes for him. Been there, tried that, it is almost always just beating your head against a brick wall.

They can change, but only if something earthshaking in their lives makes them want to. It is an extremely long shot that you are going to shake their earth like that.

And if you think that changing them in your direction is difficult, try getting rid of one of them who decides that you are the one and only. Been there, done that too.
 
I feel your pain, my friend. I've gone out with women so full of self-loathing that they talked themselves right out of happiness and couldn't appreciate a good relationship when they had it. Nothing to do in a situation like that but walk away. As Ren said, happiness comes from within and until they're ready to change nothing you can do will make a difference.
 
SlimWhitman said:
One of the reasons I heartely detest rapists and abusers is that an abused woman is more often than not damaged goods :mad: . she's the one who will be calling you every ten minutes wondering where you are.

And she's the one who will always be moody and acting illogically. Can't blame her though, it's all the rapist's fault.
 
Sounds like maybe 'White Knight Syndrom'. I suffered from that for years, rescuing damsels in distress, who usually turned out to be in distress for a reason of their own making. Then one day, my girlfriend at the time became pregnant with our son, and carried almost full term before I found out. We got married and she promptly proceeded to abandon both myself and our baby, to a cocaine habit she developed, while sufferring from post partum depression. Her excuse? That kind of behavior ran in her family. Instant cure for 'White Knight Syndrom'. I became such a bastard, for so many years, that it finally took a damsel with lots of patience, persistance, and understanding to rescue me :o
 
Like they say, rape is no laughing matter....unless you're raping a clown!

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I went through this exact thing with my ex.I'm close to my mom and dad and she wasn't close to hers.She ended up resenting me for something that was normal to me.
 
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