10 Year OLd Boyscout lost in NC

Yep, my thoughts exactly Bob.

It goes to show that a situation like this doesn't 'just' occur, but involves a series of events/circumstances which combine to produce the situation. I don't want to be too critical of the scoutmasters without knowing all the details, but this terrible situation really sounds like a serious failure of leadership.
 
And even if nothing innappropriate happened between the leader and the scout when left alone, the leader definitely put himself into a vulnerable situation and he should have known better. It just takes one child saying that something happened, and your life is ruined. The two-deep leadership rule is to protect both boys and adults.

-Bob
 
I am keeping my fingers crossed for this kid, especially after some of the things I had to endure in Scouts. I was never abused or anything, but I did have a Life Scout pull out his morning wood and urinate on the fire I was sitting next to. Not the kind of thing that made me want to stick around, to say the least.
 
Hypothermia:
East Coast is in a warming trend right now, but they are in the mountains.
Daytime temps he should be OK, Night time is the problem.
This is when you hope they have taught shelter building. Since they were on a camp out and considering their region, you'd like to think they are an outdoorsy focussed troop with some possible decent outdoors experience outside of scouts.

Water:
This shouldn't be a problem. Head downhill, creeks and streams. There has been enough rain and snow they should be flowing real good.

Food:
Maybe he had a snack? They ate lunch so he disappeared on full stomach.
That's good for making it through that first night.
Not sure how he was equipped or if he would have knowledge to take advantage of any flora/fauna.

Shelter:
There should be plenty of material in this region to make a shelter.
Heavily forested with mix of hardwoods and conifers. Plenty of terrain features, rock overhangs, ravines, etc.

Dangers:
Swollen rivers, cold water.
Cold nights.
Deep ravines, drop offs, uneven terrain.
Risk of an injury: Moderate.

Let's hope for the best and pray for his safety.

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CombatGrappler said:
I am keeping my fingers crossed for this kid, especially after some of the things I had to endure in Scouts. I was never abused or anything, but I did have a Life Scout pull out his morning wood and urinate on the fire I was sitting next to. Not the kind of thing that made me want to stick around, to say the least.
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I was in the scouts till my 18th birthday and endured nothing out of the ordinary. If anything, the scouts and leaders endured me. But then I'dda just turned my back while said kid pissed. JMHO.

I will say that I've put Eagle Scout on every resume, and it never fails to get mentioned in an interview.:cool:
 
Thanks for the link Skunkwerx.

Much as I'd like to believe otherwise, all the indications are that this kid has essentially no wilderness survival skills at all. He has continued to move whilst lost, violating the cardinal rule of not getting further lost. He abandoned whatever gear he had with him within a mile of the campsite. Also, this kid's only 12 years old, and at that age he would not be able to rationally assess his situation and plan any kind of logical response to it.

I think that if he survives this ordeal it will be purely down to human instinct.
 
Hey Guys..

jh...

I'm actually starting to fear the worst for this young lad...

I believe it's past 48 hours now since he's been lost..

His window of opportunity is slowly slipping away...If they don't find him tomorrow,, 72 hours is a Very long time in this type of temperature, especially if he has no skills to speak of (speculating)....

I Hope he is Ok...

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
We talked about this at work this morning

A couple my droogs have been hunting up there and it is indeed some rough country...I planned on going camping up there after the spring warmup

It was below freezing here this moring (colder there)...Hope he found some cover and had the ability to build a fire

Smoke for tha little guy
 
AHA!!!!

Just read this:

His parents are especially concerned because they say Auberry suffers from ADD and hasn't had any medication since Saturday. They say the disorder can cause him to become distracted and he has been known to wander off.

OK, now we get a little glimpse of something else going on.
A single adult handling 10 boys is a handful, handling 10 boys ,with one who has ADD and needs medication, is inviting a problem.
 
Yeh, I noticed the ADD thing in an article too. Didn't surprise me at all. I think they had more than one leader though - one stayed behind with the kid and two or three others went on the hike with the other scouts.

Also read that the FBI is involved, but they're saying they don't think he was abducted or anything like that. Given the ADD, it seems he just asent mindedly wandered off, and just kept wandering once he was lost.

To be honest, I'm starting to feel that this kid may not have survived these last two nights. I'm just hoping that feeling is wrong and they find the poor kid soon.
 
Kid's can be pretty resilient.

From all accounts he had a good coat, (liner & shell) and gloves.
Would assume decent boots, too since they were camping.

It's a crap shoot, but, now time is ticking.

If he had fire capability, the IR sensors would have picked him up by now.
A hot fire, or even the remanants would stick out like a flare.

I, to, am starting to have those bad feelings on this one.

I'm thinking perhaps he didn't get his meds as scheduled, even before he wandered away. Having ADD and wandering around the woods lost, is what has got me thinking pessimistically.
 
I think its time for scout leaders and anyone else responsible for people in the wilderness to start drilling this lesson into peoples heads: DO NOT continue to move once you are lost. If this kid had simply stayed put once he was lost, he would have been found along with the kit he abandoned on Saturday afternoon, just a couple of hours after wandering out of camp.

It really is negligent to take people out into the wilderness without making sure they know the most basic of things to do if lost. Its a tragedy waiting to happen.
 
ADD + Ritalin . I wonder if the scout leaders knew this . That adds many complications !!
 
Dead fucking serious. Never showed us his dick or molested anyone, but he used to talk about face-banging his toothless wife in front of all the Scouts, and accused the two Scouts who lived on dairy farms of bestiality.

Troop was divided into two groups. Group A included the Scoutmaster, his son, the mayor's son, and a few other "favorites" -- they got to eat steak at every campout. I was in Group B -- every campout we got a pack of sale priced hotdogs and a pack of stale buns. For breakfast, Group A got Italian sausage and scrambled eggs. Group B got to eat out of the Civil Defense footlocker we found in the church basement -- Bisquick flapjacks with Log Cabin syrup that had 2" of mold in the neck. Once we were expected to make 2 cans of tuna feed 8 Scouts.
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
Dead fucking serious. Never showed us his dick or molested anyone, but he used to talk about face-banging his toothless wife in front of all the Scouts, and accused the two Scouts who lived on dairy farms of bestiality.

Troop was divided into two groups. Group A included the Scoutmaster, his son, the mayor's son, and a few other "favorites" -- they got to eat steak at every campout. I was in Group B -- every campout we got a pack of sale priced hotdogs and a pack of stale buns. For breakfast, Group A got Italian sausage and scrambled eggs. Group B got to eat out of the Civil Defense footlocker we found in the church basement -- Bisquick flapjacks with Log Cabin syrup that had 2" of mold in the neck. Once we were expected to make 2 cans of tuna feed 8 Scouts.
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Man, there are some messed up losers in this world!

Having been a baseball coach for 10 years and a cub scout leader for 3, I gotta say if I ever got wind of anything such as this, they not only wouldn't be Scout leaders , they may have charges pressed against them, and be drummed out of the community.

This kind of thing must be chopped off at the knees with extreme prejudice.

I have no tolerance for this type of thing.

But I digress, There are a vast majority of people coaching little league, and serving as Scout leaders who do a fantastic job, and serve as role models for our youth. Our hats off to them.
Let's not assume these Scout Master's in NC were negligent or are buttheads until such time we have proof.

They called the Rangers within 30 minutes, after a quick sweep.
That appears to be pretty rational. The fact they had this one boy hanging back, tells me there was a problem, starting at that time. The Scout Leaders were dealing with it, and still trying to keep the camp out running with their hike.

About the only criticism they get at this point, is leaving the one leader alone with the kid.

Kids with those kind of issues really need a parent or gaurdian along, it's that simple. it's unfair for others to have to deal with that kind of condition.
Meds or not.

When I had unruly kids in Scouts or Baseball, I didn't kick them out, what I did do is require their parent or gaurdian be there to handle them.
Myself and the assistant coaches are working with approximately 13 to 15 other kids, having to stop to deal with a child that has "issues" is unfair to everyone else.
 
tyr_shadowblade said:
I got "lost" in the woods on a Scout trip once. Scoutmaster split us up into 2 groups to go on a long hike through the woods, then meet up back at the campsite. His son took 5 or 6 Scouts, and he took myself and another Scout. Neither group had a compass or a flashlight. After hiking for over an hour, Scoutmaster discovered that he was lost. Tried calling out "Hello!" until he could hear the other group calling back . . . they were at least a half mile away. F*cker panicked and ran, screaming "HULLO!!!" through the woods at a full run, leaving us both behind. We were trying our best to keep up, but I twisted my ankle on a root and was ditched.

Well over two hours later I managed to find my way back to the campsite. I had been yelling for most of that time and heard nothing. The sun had just gone down and I thought I was in serious trouble. Finally, I hear voices. They'd heard me yelling for over 20 minutes as I wandered lost through woods I'd never been in before, and thought it was "funny" to pretend they didn't hear me.

On another outing a Scout leader's son defecated on a sleeping Scout. His punishment? He had to take the kid's sleeping bag home and launder it. Scouts would regularly fight and steal and smoke cigarettes and chew tobacco and play with their dicks. I finally was allowed to quit after our new Scoutmaster asked everyone to "carve a dildo."
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This is horrible to hear. What an asshat that scoutmaster was.:thumbdn:
 
CNN is reporting that he has been found.

He apparently just walked out of the park...
 
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