$1000 knife shop

Coote grinder (with motor) : 5 or 6 hundred bucks depending on how you set it up.
Bench vice (really important and not something I've seen mentioned yet) $50

High tension hack saw frame and a stockpile of blades $30

Drill press $200

Drill press vice (also really important) $20

Good set of drill bits $20

Decent marking and measuring tools (decent straight edge/scale, scribe center punch etc. ) probably $30 depending on what you like.

Total = $950

Leaves you $50 to get your first set of belts, and maybe a hunk of steel too :D
 
...Bench vice (really important and not something I've seen mentioned yet) ... Drill press vice (also really important) ...

Doh! I use a bench vise often at work and I never even thought about one for the home shop.

These last few posts about shop set-up are extremely helpful and thought-provoking, too. Thanks again guys.

P.S. does anyone besides me really use black magic marker to help eyeball bevels and whatnot?
 
I am warning you once you start you can't stop.:eek: It's just like eating potato chips, you can't just eat one.:D

I've bought, rebuilt, cobbled together, and just-plain-voodoo'd a scarce handful of face-rippin' guitars in my time... and I bet you know that I know what yer talkin' about. I wouldn't trade any of my Franken-guitars, and I have a fairly good arsenal of hand tools built up.

:)
 
Great thread!

The thirst is never quenched....first its the basics, then next thing you know, youre scowering want ads for tools you didnt even know existed...

1000$ will buy you a shop, but remember to save a decent chunk of money for:
Belts
Sandpaper
Files
Handle materials
Pin materials
Blade steel

Theres nothing more frustrating than having all the tools and nothing to make with them!
 
It never stops. In the end you will have a $1000 shop at least twice over if not three times or more. Its easy to keep going with it. I missed buying a whole shop one day at an estate sale by just a few minutes. Could have had it all in one purchase if I would have kicked it in gear a few minutes earlier that morning. Sometimes when you are out and about you will see something you just gotta have. I think thats how I ended up with three routers and four bench grinders. :D

STR
 
A good knife shop is both time and money. Back in the beginning of the 1980's my shop consisted of a Wilton grinder, drill press, metal cutting bandsaw, and a set of torches I used to heat treat my first knives. One year later I spent over a grand upgrading the Wilton grinder with the variable DC controled motor kit for this machine. The difference was day and night. By controlling the speed of the grind I was able to turn out much better work in much less time.
Over the years with time, lessons learn't, experience and money (more money than I ever imagined spending on the shop) it is a pretty good shop. In addition to the original grinder-saw-drill press, well heck there is alot of gear in this little shop. Stuff like, Heat treating oven (Paragon), polishing wheels, leather tools, another grinder 4incher, shop air cleaners and fans. Lots of hand tools of various descriptions.
Then there is stock, perhaps $2500 in belts, heat treat foil, band saw blades, steel, wood handle material and guard stock. And I forgot to mention leather, rivets and dye. I probably forgot other stuff as well.
One thing I can say, a shop gets better and better stocked the older it gets and the more its used. By now I don't want to know how much I invested down there, but it provides me with a good hobby-business and a bit of income.
 
$1000. That's cute.

By all means, stretch that out and get started. Just don't be surprised when, after just a little while, you look back and realize you've got more into your shop than in your car(s), motorcycles, guns, etc, etc.
 
You can make knives by grinding flat stock using a Harbor Freight 1x30 40 buck grinder/sander unit. I did the knife in my signiture line with one just to see if it could be done. Guess what it did it fine using ceramic belts bought from another source.

STR

ive got one of those! where can i get good belts for those ?
 
I picked mine up from A&H abrasives. There are several places to get them though. http://customsandingbelts.com/helpdetail.shtml

You can bog the machine down but if you let it do the work and take your time it actually works surprisingly well I thought. It even tracks well. The ceramic belts made short work of that D2 blade I made. I really figured going into that that I'd be going to my 2" belt grinder in no time but as it turned out the 1x30 did the whole job. Make no mistake. Its a compromise and no where near what you could have. I just thought I'd give it a whirl. It was actually the first thing I did with the sander after opening it up. I haven't had it that long so I can't say anything about its durability. For $39 and some change though I'll get another one and not think twice unless they burn up every few months. I doubt it would be much trouble to stick a different motor on it though..

STR
 
If I were just starting I would pick up a kmg grinder with platen and 8" wheel for $875. Look for a surplus 1.5 horse motor and some drive pulleys. Then I would practice, practice, practice, grinding until I had a blade that I felt was worth completing. By the time you got to that point you could probably add an inexpensive bandsaw and drill press. At least this way you will never need to upgrade the grinder as alot of guys do when they cheap out on the grinder. Nothing contributes more to the looks of a knife than the grinder, except the guy running it.
 
now im pretty new to knifemaking but im pretty sure the quality of gear issue is pretty much transferable to any hobby or skill.

from my experience on the quality of gear, there are 2 types of beginners.

there are the ones who fall out of the hobby because thier gear sucks and they absolutely cannot ride the learning curve without proper equipment.

and there are those who for some reason or the other, are able to tollerate and hone thier craft on crappy gear... then they finally upgrade and become phenoms.


so... choose equipment accordingly as it applies
 
Then I would practice, practice, practice, grinding until I had a blade that I felt was worth completing. By the time you got to that point you could probably add an inexpensive bandsaw and drill press. At least this way you will never need to upgrade the grinder as alot of guys do when they cheap out on the grinder. Nothing contributes more to the looks of a knife than the grinder, except the guy running it.

Good advice. The guys at work think I'm weird because I've ground a couple of practice blanks out of mild steel on the bench grinder. I know they're useless and maybe it's kind of dumb but I wanted to start getting used to it.

I also agree about the quality issue, I think everyone does. For instance, my first electric guitar was a piece of crap, and it was much easier to learn when I got a better one... Thanks again for all the great tips guys!
 
If you have ever been to a third world country or any poorer economy country or province thereof you can find some incredible craftsman that do some of the most miraculous work you could ever witness. I once knew a man in Korea that could make you a pair of shoes from a picture and you would not believe the quality of these shoes. But if you saw the equipment he used to make them you would even be more amazed.

Same goes for knives. Some super craftmanship in the way of knives can be found in the Phillipines, and South Korea as well as other countries using very primitive equipment. If you have the desire you can hone your skill using anything really.

For years I made wooden knives just for fun, you know, daggers, and stuff like copies of various fixed blade shapes I either owned or had seen. I did a lot with a Craftsman drill press lathe my inlaws bought me for Christmas one year (like in the diagram below) and a simple drum sander of various sizes stuck into my variable speed drill using a quick clamp to adjust the trigger to keep it at the speed I wanted. I shaped my wood using that set up much the same way as I do now with a blade of steel when I make one by stock removal grinding it.

One day when I finally picked up a flat well used sidewalk edger blade I cut out a blank for myself with a dremmel and cut off discs (it took quite a few as I recall but it did the job) and I hollow ground it using that same variable speed drill set up and sanding drum on the old Craftsman drill lathe w/clamp in place and was quite pleased with it and moved on from there. I actually made many knives and hollow ground them using that set up for quite a while.

Here is one of the first ones I did that way. Elk Antler and sidewalk edger blade. My mom still carries this little push knife in her purse. She calls it her "bingo knife". :confused: I don't know exactly what that means or how it improves her bingo playing luck but whatever. :D

This is nothing compared to some of the stuff I've seen. We are so spoiled rotten over here really when it comes to goodies to make our work easier. If you master the craft on tools like these you'd be a wiz kid on something better when the day comes that you have access to it.
I am not suggesting that you start out this primitive but it isn't necessary to jump in big when starting out.

I personally feel the best makers out there are the ones that constantly challenge themselves. Even Chris Reeve didn't start out with much more than an economy shop. Make yourself have to work to get what you want. Making life too easy for yourself early on can, in my opinion take away from your potential to develop your skill. Challenge yourself with something compromising and move on later. Every pleasure in life is paid for with a near equal amount of pain so hurt yourself and make better knives. You can quote me on that if you like. :thumbup:
STR

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