1082 High Carbon Steel?

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Christof60

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So I see this guy on epay selling knives pretty cheap... Not too bad looking, hmm, what's the catch? Well I'm sue they are made in Pakistan or somewhere like that, but funny thing is it says they are made of "high carbon 1082 steel".... Never heard of that one...
So I google the heck out of it and found zip...

Has anyone here heard of 1082 steel, and is it good, bad, ??
 
Pakistani knives are of notoriously poor quality. I can't say for sure about the steel, but I would imagine there's a reason the knives are selling so cheaply
 
The seller is from NYC, so that doesn't say much... I just can't figure out why there isn't SOMETHING on Google about it, even warning of cheap 1082 crap, etc....
I caught one just at the last few seconds that is a really different style, got it for $18 including shipping. Actually looks nice in the pictures... We'll see....
I better read the whole rules, most forums wont allow links to other sites anymore...
But if it's cool, I will post a link to the one I bought...
 
I emailed him for an explanation, here's what he said.....

Hi,
All knives/blades i sell are made in my family workshop in Lalamusa Pakistan.
This steel belongs to a family of spring steels,and it is used to make very heavy springs and some other heavy duty materials.
This steel was given to us by our steel supplier to make a knife for personal use.We found it very good for knife.It can be hardened above 65HRC very easily,it does not break often while hardening it.Most importantly it can be sharpened very easily and it remains sharp for long time.
I started to sell it on eBay first time,and i think only i am the one who make knives from this steel.Two eBay ID's one for blades and one for knives,i use to sell knives.I also supply to an other eBay seller.
Please try one with confidence,i offer 100% money back guarantee.You will find it amazingly good.
Best regards
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at least he got right back to me, and pretty good explanation and obviously knows English pretty well... I wonder what they make it out of, and why 1082? Oh well, I will see....
 
1082? No such thing as far as I know. Hardened above 65 Rc? Extremely dubious. Pakistan? Puh-leeze. The baloney alarm is ringing loud on this one.
 
"As Quenched" 1080 before tempering could be above 65.
Once you temper it for actual use, it will be a fair bit lower.

If the fella actually claims to have tempered 1080 above 65HRC, I would call BS.
 
knarfeng said:
"As Quenched" 1080 before tempering could be above 65.
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As quenched... 1080 or 1084 could be 65Rc, I wouldn't bet the ranch for or against it. Quenched in brine, perhaps?

I'm splitting hairs here, for sure... but still calling "baloney" on "1082 from Pakistan".
 
In 10XX designations the "XX" is the percent of carbon in the steel.


1082 would indicate 0.82 percent carbon by weight.

That would make it a High Carbon Steel.


Who knows where this steel was made or re-melted.

Just because it's not a Regular Steel we see listed in the charts doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


If, as the seller states, it is a spring steel;

...it probably contains more alloying elements then simple 10XX steels.


Of course, one guess is as good as another as to what it actually is.


I'm not even going to get into maximum hardness potential of an unknown steel.


While I can't say I've seen lot's of quality steel coming out of Pakistan,

...I have seen a few High Quality spring steel blades coming out of the corner of the world.


Buyer beware.





Big MIke
 
Big Mike said:
Of course, one guess is as good as another as to what it actually is... Buyer beware.
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knarfeng said:
Anyone who cites the "as quenched" hardness as being a useful number for the end user is tying to pull a fast one.
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You're both right, and we're all guessing - that's the problem. There are way too many "maybe's" involved, that's why the baloney alarm went off. Knife fans are getting more and more educated about steel and HT, and have a right to know what they're buying - at any price point.

Christof, what's your definition of "cheap" and what style of knife do you want? I'm certain folks here could steer you towards a maker or manufacturer that makes what you like, in your budget, and will actually tell you exactly what it's made of. :)
 
Well as I understood him, they harden up to 62-65, then re-temper down to 55-62, which is quite a spread... But, I received it in the mail today... The sheath was actually good for a nice laugh (I could NEVER send a knife out with a sheath like that) but the knife, although dull, is very nicely put together, minimal (slight) flaws in workmanship that many non-knife builders might not even notice, and for $23, I know I couldn't build anything close to that and make money... I have one supplier who I can get 440c blades from, and by the time I throw one together, might have $12 into (without sheath), but I am not one to pump out "okay" knives, and make money only by pumping out volume. This is why I am not a "builder" per se... I simply discuss what someone is looking for, feel their hands, have them grip several different handles I have to see which "fits" the best, and then have them pick out the scales they want.... Then, I build them a "one of a kind" knife, seriously, i wont ever build another like it.
Although I have only built one where it wasnt a gift. The fellow insisted on reimbursing me for parts which was fine, but then insisted (on threat of being disrespected) in giving me a $20 tip.... I figured it out the other day, and with the time I had into that knife, I actually lost about $ 1.37/hr for building that knife, and that is considering minimum wage plus costs of materials... In BCUSA's world, that makes me a Vendor... In my world, that makes me a horrible businessman that won't be in business long...

So when I get to my PC, I'll throw up a few pics of this Pakistan knife, you can all be the judge....
When people work as a family, work for cheap (don't drive around in Mercedes, etc), I guess you can build a decent knife for cheap, and still stay in business.... This guy sells a ton, and has great feedback...

Stay tuned...
 
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Christof60 said:
...I could NEVER send a knife out with a sheath like that...

... I have one supplier who I can get 440c blades from, and by the time I throw one together, might have $12 into (without sheath), but I am not one to pump out "okay" knives, and make money only by pumping out volume. This is why I am not a "builder" per se... I simply discuss what someone is looking for, feel their hands, have them grip several different handles I have to see which "fits" the best, and then have them pick out the scales they want.... Then, I build them a "one of a kind" knife, seriously, i wont ever build another like it.

Although I have only built one where it wasnt a gift. The fellow insisted on reimbursing me for parts which was fine, but then insisted (on threat of being disrespected) in giving me a $20 tip.... I figured it out the other day, and with the time I had into that knife, I actually lost about $ 1.37/hr for building that knife, and that is considering minimum wage plus costs of materials... In BCUSA's world, that makes me a Vendor... In my world, that makes me a horrible businessman that won't be in business long...
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I'm a bit confused by this.


:confused: This thread went from a steel question to a sales pitch? :confused:


Though not a very good one. :eek:


It sure reads that way to me.


Does it have bearing on the discussion?





Big Mike
 
How the hell does that go into a sales pitch? I believe I stated in there that I would never build and sell knives the way they do??
If a friend asks me to build a knife... Nothing fancy, bu a good blade.. It takes me at least a week, more like 2 to 2 1/2....
If I only request that I be reimbursed for parts, and take that long to build one, you think I am a knife builder eying top itch a product?
Jeez, I must be on a different planet or something.... And just to throw out there for any possibly nervous "real" vendors??
I have told everyone to quit asking me to build knives. I will not do anymore. Between my health issues, and losing my home (yeah, great knife builder there), and having to move from Florida back to the PNW (gas at $4/gal?), I have many priorities I need to put ahead of favors... So I have three knives promised, and I will get them done, it after hat, I'm done until I get settled back in Idaho or Washington...
So enough of this CRAP that is starting to sound like "that other site" that accused me of being a vendor. It's a FRIGGIN HOBBY, got it???

I may be a tad sensitive, but I am tired of all this "you sound like a knife pitching business vendor guy".... I've said it enough, most people get it, and I shouldn't have to say it anymore. I like doing it, I'm good at it, but I couldnt, or would I want to, try to make a living at it. Kudos to those who can, shame on those who are scared to death of anyone who can build, and post, a beautiful knife.... There doesn't have to always be an ulterior motive....

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Christof60 said:
How the hell does that go into a sales pitch? I believe I stated in there that I would never build and sell knives the way they do??
If a friend asks me to build a knife... Nothing fancy, bu a good blade.. It takes me at least a week, more like 2 to 2 1/2....
If I only request that I be reimbursed for parts, and take that long to build one, you think I am a knife builder eying top itch a product?
Jeez, I must be on a different planet or something.... And just to throw out there for any possibly nervous "real" vendors??
I have told everyone to quit asking me to build knives. I will not do anymore. Between my health issues, and losing my home (yeah, great knife builder there), and having to move from Florida back to the PNW (gas at $4/gal?), I have many priorities I need to put ahead of favors... So I have three knives promised, and I will get them done, it after hat, I'm done until I get settled back in Idaho or Washington...
So enough of this CRAP that is starting to sound like "that other site" that accused me of being a vendor. It's a FRIGGIN HOBBY, got it???

I may be a tad sensitive, but I am tired of all this "you sound like a knife pitching business vendor guy".... I've said it enough, most people get it, and I shouldn't have to say it anymore. I like doing it, I'm good at it, but I couldnt, or would I want to, try to make a living at it. Kudos to those who can, shame on those who are scared to death of anyone who can build, and post, a beautiful knife.... There doesn't have to always be an ulterior motive....

End of rant.....
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So it has nothing to do with the steel Question? :confused:



Why even add this to a topic on cheap steel?


Are you trying to sell us on these knives, or something else?


I still don't get where these last few post are coming from.











Big Mike
 
Okay Mike, I'll go slow.....
It started as a steel question, i.e, some "seller" was selling "1082" lives, and a lot of them.. (have you read every post, maybe twice?)... I never heard of this steel. I also state that I wrote the guy, and he was surprisingly up front about being made by his family in Pakistan, and that the steel is a Pakistani steel...
I don't think I mentioned I ordered one just to see, maybe I did. Everyone basically said Pakistani was crap, the guy sounded FOS, etc... I receive knife in mail and am actually surprised at how nice such a cheap knife is. But I see "pretty" Chinese crap all the time too, and it is crap. This very well may be. But I never posted a link to this guy, so I am not trying to sell knives for them. Going to post pictures so members can judge for themselves on looks, and I am going to test the blade once I get a decent edge on it... Almost looks like 440c to me, not high carbon, but well see.... I will see if I can patina it, I will see how much abuse the blade can take... Why?
The guy also sells blanks, and if this 1082 ends up being a decent, high carbon steel, then that is info that maybe knife builders on a budget may be interested in, or those who don't want their first foray into knife building to be a $65 Enzo blank...
I buy $10 Mora blades all the time to build knives.... If I were on here asking the same question about those "cheap" blades, would you be responding the same?? I very much doubt it Mike....

Done with that subject.

Pictures of said knife (including close ups), coming later tonite or tomorrow... 1082.... Doesn't look like bad steel if it is what it's supposed to be...
 
Hadji Flip Me Over said:
Well, there's your problem. Lol.
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So, $10 Mora blades are crap to you? No? Oh, so it's the Pakistani thing? Maybe so.... But remember folks, Japan stuff used to be the laughable, US was IT... NOW, Apple products you all love are made in China, some of the best cars in the world are Japanese, etc....
Thanks Mike for spinning this WAY off the original intent. You could have saved a lot of time and simply posted a long time ago "anything made in Pakistan is shiat, let's end this thread".... But we actually had a good discussion going for awhile, at least with a few adults discussing steel properties...

Carry on...
 
Hey, I responded to your questions about steel.

When other' said 1082 did not exist, I explained how it could.

You claim to be a knifemaker, but don't seem to know or really care about steel.


You make statements like:

...looks like 440c to me, not high carbon...
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Do you know that 440C is a high carbon stainless steel.


And I guess you don't know you can't determine a steels metallurgy by "looking" at it.





...The guy also sells blanks, and if this 1082 ends up being a decent, high carbon steel, then that is info that maybe knife builders on a budget may be interested in...
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Sounds like a plan to sell this un-tested steel to me.


JMHO, YMMV.



PS -This was a fairly straight forward thread until all that talk of what you could and would do, and how you would not sell a knife so poorly made, and that importing blanks might be a good idea. Just sayin'.






Big Mike
 
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Lord Mike, I hate these online pissin matches, I really do.... I appreciate whatever people kow about steel tell me, as long as its not opinion over fact. Yeah, I know, 440c is high carbon, but has just enough chromium in it that it falls under stainless, but I am a pretty unknowledgeable person when it comes to metallurgy... High carbon to me is 1095, 01 tool steel, etc... You know, the kind that will rust overnight if a drop of water is left on it?
I keep it simple that way... If you don't have to keep it oiled to keep it shiny, it's stainless in my book, no matter what the carbon content is. But I am not a blacksmith.
So yes, I appreciate anything you can tell me factually about steels... I have never heard of 1082.... Looks like it has Chromium in it to me, so it will not meet MY standard of high Carbon... I personally don't care for 440c... I like to get a shaving sharp edge, use the hell out of it, keep it dry and oiled, and occasionally strop it. Every couple months, take it to the water stone.... That's why I love the Scandi blades. Cheap, easy to sharpen, hold an edge, and last forever as long as you take care of them....
I got the blade (Pakistani) wet tonite and left it on the bench..,, I bet when I get up, it won't have even a waterspot on it... So that will confirm chromium in it for me, to stainless (or even stain-resistant) steel... Which is fine for many, but not me...
But "Pakistani equals crap" isn't really teaching metallurgy either.... Not saying you said that, maybe you didn't. But YOU did start the "sounds like you are trying to sell knives" thing, and I got banned over at BCUSA for the same lame accusations...
Goodnight all....
 
Christof60 said:
Lord Mike, I hate these online pissin matches, I really do.... I appreciate whatever people kow about steel tell me, as long as its not opinion over fact. Yeah, I know, 440c is high carbon, but has just enough chromium in it that it falls under stainless, but I am a pretty unknowledgeable person when it comes to metallurgy... High carbon to me is 1095, 01 tool steel, etc... You know, the kind that will rust overnight if a drop of water is left on it?
I keep it simple that way... If you don't have to keep it oiled to keep it shiny, it's stainless in my book, no matter what the carbon content is. But I am not a blacksmith.
So yes, I appreciate anything you can tell me factually about steels... I have never heard of 1082.... Looks like it has Chromium in it to me, so it will not meet MY standard of high Carbon... I personally don't care for 440c... I like to get a shaving sharp edge, use the hell out of it, keep it dry and oiled, and occasionally strop it. Every couple months, take it to the water stone.... That's why I love the Scandi blades. Cheap, easy to sharpen, hold an edge, and last forever as long as you take care of them....
I got the blade (Pakistani) wet tonite and left it on the bench..,, I bet when I get up, it won't have even a waterspot on it... So that will confirm chromium in it for me, to stainless (or even stain-resistant) steel... Which is fine for many, but not me...
But "Pakistani equals crap" isn't really teaching metallurgy either.... Not saying you said that, maybe you didn't. But YOU did start the "sounds like you are trying to sell knives" thing, and I got banned over at BCUSA for the same lame accusations...
Goodnight all....
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Please re-read what you just posted.

There is no need for a pissing match.

Study the subject before putting your foot any further in your mouth.



All this over some unknown and un-tested steel is nonsense.


No offense intended, but it is what it is.



OH yeah, you don't have to call me Lord Mike, Big Mike's just fine.







Big Mike
 
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