I think Kelly has 1086 in somewhat larger sizes, and he also has 1080 in bars suitable in size for either stock removal or forging (at least he did a few weeks ago when I ordered some from him.) I had previously assumed that 1080, 1084, and 1086 were all pretty much the same thing, but now I'm not so sure about that. I guess I could Google them for their chemistry to know for sure!