1086V steel

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I was looking at Daniel Winkler's site and noticed he uses 1086V steel.
I searched the web and can't find any trace of it. Has anyone used it and does anybody know where I could get a small amount? Thanks
James7729
 
I've used a bunch but call it 1086M. It's 1086 with .23% vanadium added. Very close to W2 but with less cabon.

I got mine from Howard Clark and have never seen it available anywhere else.

Very good steel but I like W2 just a bit better.
 
Too late! :) What Don said. Clark had a custom melt produced some years back, sold some, kept a lot.
 
Kelly Cupples has it, or did several months ago when I bought a bunch from him.
 
Could we possibly be talking about an early version of the new Crucible stuff? A couple of guys out their had some samples of the 3 -4 generations of the stuff sent to them for testing.
 
jdm61 said:
Could we possibly be talking about an early version of the new Crucible stuff? A couple of guys out their had some samples of the 3 -4 generations of the stuff sent to them for testing.
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Nope, this steel as been around for a long time, just not very common.
 
Don Hanson III said:
Nope, this steel as been around for a long time, just not very common.
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Maybe it is the 1086M, but I recall somebody told me that the "working title" for the second or third generation of that Crucible stuff was 1086V. I know that Dan Farr, Jim Batson and Kevin Cashen have had bits of the various batches in their hands at times during the workup of this new steel, but I don't know if Mr. Winkler or anyone else got some too. So, I sent him an e-mail axing him what this mystery steel is:D
 
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You could be right, Joe. Howard calls his 1086, 1086M but I've heard folks call it 1086V because of the added vanadium. He has found reference to it in old tool steel books, from the 30s and 40s.

Someone should just ask Dan.
 
Guys,
The Crucible 1086V should be out soon. The guys from Crucible at Blade told me that the final formula would be C-1.05 Mang.-.80 Vanadium-.80 and a little chrome for the rolling process . Doc Batson said it out cut W-2 and 52100 by a long shot
 
Aldo
Is all your 1086V sold?
Did the Crucible guys say what the HT and tempering temps are??
 
I talked with Dan Farr last week and he said the Crucible stuff is not a CPM steel, but a double vacuum melt. Apparently, regular old carbon steel does not like the temps and presure of the CPM process all that much. While that manganese and chrome might make hamons a bit difficult, from everything I had heard, this is the kind of stuff that us metal pounders have been begging for. Super clean, all of those nice little vanadium carbides and deeper hardening than W2 or 1086M.
The stuff that Dan had was, in fact, some of Howard Clark's steel.
 
It's true that generally you want deeper hardening unless you are attempting a hamon, however as I understand it the Crucible steel is being designed to be an all around forging steel, which means it must be relatively deep hardening, at least in my opinion. It's nice that there will finally be a forging grade with a little bit of wear resistance.
 
It seems strange to hear 1086 and read 1.05C, but that is just slightly above the accepted range of 1086 steel. Some of that extra carbon will end up bonded with the vanadium and chromium, leaving a final carbon-iron mix like high grade 1086.
Stacy
 
It isn't called 1086...thats just one of the mixes they started with,
and wanted to improve uppon.
At Blade show time, it didn't have a public name yet, just a number
for the lab guys.
 
Thanks guys that answered my question. How would someone who could only pay about $100 for steel get some of that? Iv'e heard you have to order a big order from the steel companies. This steel sure sounds like one I'd like to get some. And I quess all of us.
Thanks
James7729
 
if I only had $100 I would call kelly cupples

he ships free for orders over $100 and has a good selection of forging steels
 
james7729 said:
Thanks guys that answered my question. How would someone who could only pay about $100 for steel get some of that? Iv'e heard you have to order a big order from the steel companies. This steel sure sounds like one I'd like to get some. And I quess all of us.
Thanks
James7729
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Crucible is generally very good about delivering smaller amounts of steel to knifemakers, and after the steel is released I'm sure it will be sold by some knifemaker and steel suppliers, which are generally set up to sell small quantities of things.
 
I don't recall what Crucibles minimum is, but it's well
under $100.
 
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