1095 Hi-Carbon Steel and layered?

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Triought

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I ordered some 1095 Hi-Carbon for a new steel to play with since it said it was very easy to work with. I had been working with tool steel and 5160. I got the steel in the mail today and I opened it up and noticed it looks like it's layers of steel, it's not got that nice thick edge like the other steels I've received. Is this common for 1095? Is it a layered steel and not one solid sheet?
 
Can you post a photo? I'm not sure exactly what you mean by looking like layers but 1095 is a mono-steel, homogenous. Is it possible you're seeing tool marks from cutting? How thick is your stock?
 
Yes, more details and some photos will be needed to help you:
Who did it come from?
Sellers description?
Measurements?
Type? ( sheared from sheet, HRA, CRA, etc)
 
Grabbing pictures for you guys!

I got it from Jantz. Both sides have these ridges and if you look closely they are uniform and it feels and looks like it's multiple layers. Unlike all the other steel I received that is solid edges and one uniform piece of steel. Pictures are with an old iphone so bare with them!

From the website it says it's CRA.

From the description:
Our 1095 is cold rolled and annealed with a bright finish. This material is perfect for forging, blades, tools and other parts. Very easy to work. HEAT TREATMENT Bring to 1450°-1475°F, then quench immediately, holding at a noncrucial point such as the back of the blade or handle area. Temper between 400°-600°F, depending upon the desired hardness. Typical chemistry C .90/1.04, Mn .60/.90.
 
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Grind the roll/tool marks off and look at it again. It would be exceedingly unusual for a vendor to mislabel and send a piece of (much more expensive) damascus steel by mistake.
 
james terrio said:
Grind the roll/tool marks off and look at it again. It would be exceedingly unusual for a vendor to mislabel and send a piece of (much more expensive) damascus steel by mistake.
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I didn't think it was Damascus as it looks like uniform layers, it just didn't look like any steel I've received from them before. You can feel 6 different layers pretty plainly on the edges. I'll grind it off tonight. Thanks!
 
You probably have a sheared edge. The shear angle is about 45* .If you look at the edge you should see about 1/3 of it has lines perpendicular to the edge.The rest should be a fracture surface about 45*.
 
It is a sheared edge. All 1095 coming from Jantz looks like that on the edge. Be aware their 1095 varies in composition and one bar might not behave like the next in HT and such. Don't know why, it just does. And the shear their supplier uses puts a heckuva bend in the steel... Not as bad in thin sizes like 1/8, 3/32, etc but up in the 5/32+ sizes takes some hot work or a lot of grinding to get it dead flat. I used to buy a lot of steel from Jantz cause of the smaller size choices, availability, and flat $9 shipping. But switched to Aldo after all the inconsistencies. I still love Jantz and get other stuff there, just not steel...

BTW, Jantz damascus comes etched to show the pattern. Or at least it used to.

It's 1095. I'll bet a free bar of Aldo's 1095 on it. :)

-Eric
 
LucyCustomKnives said:
It is a sheared edge. All 1095 coming from Jantz looks like that on the edge. Be aware their 1095 varies in composition and one bar might not behave like the next in HT and such. Don't know why, it just does. And the shear their supplier uses puts a heckuva bend in the steel... I used to buy a lot of steel from Jantz cause of the smaller size choices, availability, and flat $9 shipping. But switched to Aldo after all the inconsistencies. I still love Jantz and get other stuff there, just not steel...

BTW, Jantz damascus comes etched to show the pattern. Or at least it used to.

It's 1095. I'll bet a free bar of Aldo's 1095 on it. :)

-Eric
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Thanks, starting out I wanted to try different variants of steel to see if any I liked better than others so I ordered a bunch of different variants from jantz since like you said I could get smaller pieces to try.
 
No mystery .Each structure , spheroidized , pearlite etc will shear differently . There has to be agap between the shear blades depending on thickness and microstructure. A fine shear is a two part operation where a second shear operation makes a cleaner edge and close dimentions.
 
Too add to this discussion, I think it fits......I ordered a bar of the Blue Steel san mai from Dictum the other day. When I received it, the center core steel appeared to be shifted over to one side....all the way around the billet. I thought for sure somebody goofed, and mis-aligned the core steel inside the iron "jackets". Turns out that whatever they use to cut it, some sort of press/shear machine I would think, forced the sides of the billet down on all sides, making it look like the core steel was off center. But once you grind into it just a few thousandths...the core is definitely very centered.
 
Sheared from plate...it is perfectly fine. When you file/grind it smooth that should all go away.
 
Samurai , Perfectly normal. As I said different steels shear differently.
 
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