1095 Question

What's up with Mlovett anyway? I didn't buy Admirals 1095 because I'm tring to use inferior steel, I bought from them because no one else had 1095 in the size I needed. Admiral has always been good to me as well, no problems at all with service or delivery. I'm just new to 1095 and had some questions about it.

Thanks to everyone for their helpful comments.
 
Dan Gray said:
Phil
I'm not sure of what your full situation on their end was but
I'm sure you know
L6 comes with many masks.
of course any steel company should know what they have but mistakes do happen..I'm sure you know..AS a big outfit and to try and cater to a small part of their business,, it has to be hard,
they do have some good help problems I know of
and to put good help and good prices under the same roof ,, well you can figure the rest.

.I just don't go for flat out flaming anyone like that it's just not too Cool. have a good one..:)
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There are industry standards for L6, and I have seen some variations. But, Admirals was so way off, in just about every aspect. (Just talking L6 here)
The only differences I've seen elsewhere are that Carpenters doesn't have moly and Crucibles does. Other than that, I think we're agreeing. ;)

Anyway, this is J. Place's thread and he wanted to talk about 1095.
Sorry for my part in hijacking it. :D
In answer to your original question, all my 1095 has come from Admiral, and the only stuff I had trouble drilling or cutting is stuff I haven't forged. That's because I always sphereoidize anneal my forgings, like Mr. Cashen said. It sounds like your not forging or heat treating (yet:D) so I don't know what you can do. Try cobalt drill bits, and take it slow.
 
Phillip Patton said:
Where do you suggest getting 1095? Has anybody tried this place?

:http://www.wcisteel.com/products/highcarb.html

They sell it in some pretty good sizes, which would be good if you have to forge it a lot to make it homogenous.

Seems to me the manufacturer is responsible for the alloy content. If Admiral gets their 1095 from the same mill everybody else does, then what??
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They dont, that is the point, it isnt 1095. Do a search, It's been talked to death here. Your not getting real 1095 From Admiral. period. Dan, thanks so much for your kindness. Thats what i Love about it here so much. A person has a legitimate problem, you try to help, and some a-hole flames you for it. DO A SEARCH!!!!!!! Admiral is famous and known by many well known makers for pulling this crap, It is talked about, and has been talked about for years on the different knife forum. if you ignore the info that is out there, and use the product at your customers risk. Well my friend you know where you rank as well. Let the buyer be ware Lovett
 
mlovett said:
They dont, that is the point, it isnt 1095. Do a search, It's been talked to death here. Your not getting real 1095 From Admiral. period. Dan, thanks so much for your kindness. Thats what i Love about it here so much. A person has a legitimate problem, you try to help, and some a-hole flames you for it. DO A SEARCH!!!!!!! Admiral is famous and known by many well known makers for pulling this crap, It is talked about, and has been talked about for years on the different knife forum. if you ignore the info that is out there, and use the product at your customers risk. Well my friend you know where you rank as well. Let the buyer be ware Lovett
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I repeat, Where do you suggest getting 1095?
 
mlovett said:
They dont, that is the point, it isnt 1095. Do a search, It's been talked to death here. Your not getting real 1095 From Admiral. period. Dan, thanks so much for your kindness. Thats what i Love about it here so much. A person has a legitimate problem, you try to help, and some a-hole flames you for it. DO A SEARCH!!!!!!! Admiral is famous and known by many well known makers for pulling this crap, It is talked about, and has been talked about for years on the different knife forum. if you ignore the info that is out there, and use the product at your customers risk. Well my friend you know where you rank as well. Let the buyer be ware Lovett
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you know where you rank as well. Let the buyer be ware Lovett
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very nice..But I do very well thank you...
I'm wondering were you'd stand on some of your unknown ways of yet to be discovered by you but known by others that now do, should your customers beware? you really need to ask that question of yourself. should you recall your first how many knives?? with your standards and convictions today maybe so? but this is for you to grapple with and only you.
if you have a problem you should take it to the source not slander them.
that's my point only, and it looks like you won't stop there either..that is sad ..
so it's your say so over Admirals right here and now so prove it and fix the problem , but don't
drag yourself down in this type of, what ever you want to call it..
I'm not flaming you, just what you are doing here it's not right. did your sources use steel from different batches? or one?
I've had mismarked steel from other places, should I dis them ,, why not ??
this is all my 2 cent only.. and only to be fair to those that don't , won't or can't stand up for themselves..
I'm done.. by the way how bad can you mess up 1095 ???soft or hard was the issue here..and I told it the way it is with hoot roll and cold roll..if you didn't know that,, I'm sorry if not..but that would prove a point too..
 
Phillip Patton said:
I repeat, Where do you suggest getting 1095?
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you have 3 or 4 guys here saying ADMIRAL STEEL
1-800-323-7055 3193 fax 1-708-388-9317
and one saying not to???
talk to Terry Summers
the risk is yours :(
 
Well Dan what can I say?. There is also a thread on here about Mini mills. Several folks chimed in with their experience. Many arn't happy with the quality of some of the suppliers, and or make of machines, while others excell. No one was flamed for pointing out the qualities, and or short comings of the different machines. There is no difference. We all need each others experiences, both good and bad. This is why many of us are on this and other forums. to share info and expierences. if we cant do that, we might as well close this forum. To impose censor ship, just because you dont like somthing, or worse, flame someone because they have an oppinion, or experience that differs from yours is unexcusable. As to the slander charge, this is a private forum. In other words, members are free to express themselves, with out reprisal. The deal on admiral isn't my experience. I was guided away from doing buisness with them by many vert well, known, and respected makers. I hope that your not flaming me just to justify your use of Admiral products. Even more so, if you already knew their track record. Don't worry about what I may know or not know Dan. I've been at this al hell of a long time as have you. Not a dig, just a fact. When you do this for as many years as I have you hear and learn a lot. And you hope to pass it along to the newer people, in hopes of helping them avoid a few of the pit-falls. On a side note, at the level of knife making that I find myself, and the level of my customers, I have to use the best matterials and techniques at my disposal. Anything short of this is Short changing my customers. That is the way it is. Sorry if this offends you. Mike
 
Kevin,

"Next, normalize to even out and refine the grain and level out that carbon even more. Start out at or above 1500 F. to get all the grain an even size (forget about what the size is, just get it even for now) and then follow up with a few more cycles at lower temperatures to make the even structure finer. If you wnat to spheroidize quench it on the final cycle and temper it at 1300 F. to 1325 F."

How long would you hold it at this temp. to sheroidize it? Would you give the same advice for W1 with about 1% carbon?

Thanks,

John
 
mlovett said:
Well Dan what can I say?. There is also a thread on here about Mini mills. Several folks chimed in with their experience. Many arn't happy with the quality of some of the suppliers, and or make of machines, while others excell. No one was flamed for pointing out the qualities, and or short comings of the different machines. There is no difference. We all need each others experiences, both good and bad. This is why many of us are on this and other forums. to share info and expierences. if we cant do that, we might as well close this forum. To impose censor ship, just because you dont like somthing, or worse, flame someone because they have an oppinion, or experience that differs from yours is unexcusable. As to the slander charge, this is a private forum. In other words, members are free to express themselves, with out reprisal. The deal on admiral isn't my experience. I was guided away from doing buisness with them by many vert well, known, and respected makers. I hope that your not flaming me just to justify your use of Admiral products. Even more so, if you already knew their track record. Don't worry about what I may know or not know Dan. I've been at this al hell of a long time as have you. Not a dig, just a fact. When you do this for as many years as I have you hear and learn a lot. And you hope to pass it along to the newer people, in hopes of helping them avoid a few of the pit-falls. On a side note, at the level of knife making that I find myself, and the level of my customers, I have to use the best matterials and techniques at my disposal. Anything short of this is Short changing my customers. That is the way it is. Sorry if this offends you. Mike
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haha Mike this don't offend me, on the contraire, it opens up what we are made of..I welcome it..
Mike my first knife sold in 1974 I've made knives before that to get to that stage, My dad a while ago dug out a knife I made about 40 years ago..not sellable in my opinion but it was still mine..

I'm not sure how much
a hell of a lot longer
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you are talking about,
you're the same age as I am..dig or not..any amount of time over 30 plus years at this point i figure,, what's you're point?
so you're spreading stuff around that you yourself admit do not have hands on experience about...:confused: truly sad at best,,we're not talking about mills and drill presses from China here..
yes there is a difference that you obviously don't see. you're flaming and stuck you foot in something you have no experience about yourself .
do you believe in edgepacking?, stalemate..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=288176&perpage=20&pagenumber=1
this also is from some bigger names in the trade..why don't you jump on this also?
some do and most that know better don't..it don't make it SO friend because you say so, sorry.
there you go same thing as in the terms you put it.
so you are saying
AS puts out bad steel and everyone here that uses it is doing their customers a bad deed, and your going on what others say???with no appearance of it of your own and not knowing for sure your doing much more than steering and advice..it's like saying 154CM is better than ATS34
because someone said so. or 1085 is better than O1 and you have never used O1...just because someone else said so.. you may not get my point but I'm sure others do..if I don't like some thing I stop using it and would make a suggestion not flat out go about it in the non diplomatic way in which you have. (hear say)
with no personal basics
BTW..prove to me I'm supplying bad product to my customers,, and I'll prove the same about yours OK.
but the difference will be I'll buy one of your knives first to prove it, while you go by hear say of others..
Short changing my customers
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unless you've stop learning and know it all you may be doing just that to yours..I'm not saying this is so but it sure makes me wonder about it..BTW wasn't the issue with AS, L6 only as far as steel went?
 
I've been thinking about this and want to say
Mike if you choose to slam companies and who ever in your own manner have at it.

I put my 2 cent in, as you say, we are entitled to do so hear hear..great debate in head knocking :D
I do think I have a harder head though, but I'm right:foot: :D
 
sunfishman said:
Kelly Couples has 1095 in 3/16''X 1-1/2'' at $3.95 per pound.
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Thanks, but that's a little thinner than I like to use. I like to get big stuff and forge evrything I need from it.
 
Dan Gray said:
you have 3 or 4 guys here saying ADMIRAL STEEL
1-800-323-7055 3193 fax 1-708-388-9317
and one saying not to???
talk to Terry Summers
the risk is yours :(
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Dan I've never complained about Admirals 1095. The first 80+ knives I made were Admirals 1095, and most were terrible. Not because the steel is bad, but because I was a terrible knife maker. Some of them turned out, by accident. Now that my skills are a lot better, Admirals 1095 is great stuff. :D In fact I believe it's one of the most versatile steels out there. It's their "L6" that's lost me. Someone had their 1080 analysed, and it had .70 carbon. That would be fine, if Admiral would drop the 1075/1080 label, and just call it 1075.
Also, I'm looking for another source for 1095, because I want thicker stock, and the price savings that comes with it.
 
BTW, I have talked to Terry Summers, and he's a very nice guy. He just has no clue what's in his L6. I asked him, before I ever mentioned it here on the forums.
This is someone elses thread, about a totally different topic. This is the last I'm posting here. If I feel the need to speak up again, I'm starting another thread...
 
Phillip Patton said:
Dan I've never complained about Admirals 1095. The first 80+ knives I made were Admirals 1095, and most were terrible. Not because the steel is bad, but because I was a terrible knife maker. Some of them turned out, by accident. Now that my skills are a lot better, Admirals 1095 is great stuff. :D In fact I believe it's one of the most versatile steels out there. It's their "L6" that's lost me. Someone had their 1080 analysed, and it had .70 carbon. That would be fine, if Admiral would drop the 1075/1080 label, and just call it 1075.
Also, I'm looking for another source for 1095, because I want thicker stock, and the price savings that comes with it.
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Plill
if you change and want some JDM 5160 to forge let me know :D
it's not a big deal with me because I only use the 1095 in my machetes

I control the hardness I need and the rest does what it's asked to do.
for other knives
I feel there are much better steels to use in my knives..
this has sucked up to much of my time
back to work...:)
 
Phillip Patton said:
BTW, I have talked to Terry Summers, and he's a very nice guy. He just has no clue what's in his L6. I asked him, before I ever mentioned it here on the forums.
This is someone elses thread, about a totally different topic. This is the last I'm posting here. If I feel the need to speak up again, I'm starting another thread...
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I agree
I'm not sure how L6 turned into all the steel they sell?
sorry for the hi jacking :o
 
No problem with the thread hijacking. I did get all of my 1095 questions answered so now I consider this a dead thread.
 
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