1095 rusting ???? or what

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just finished several knives am having to go back and re buff them on the wheel to get the rust thats forming off what am i doing wrong i juat finished 2 yesturday .. i even threw a light coat of wd40 and them left them out all night then this AM threw them in rhe sheaths and just a bit 8 hours or so they have little micro spots that look like poss rust and ive had some other ruating on some other blades here and there.

um using 1095 and i forge heat treat and quench in chevron texaco 70
 
Yup, rust loves nice clean steel. WD40 stands for "Water Displacement 40th Formula", and that is what it was made to do. displace water, not rust proof steel. Were your sheaths still a hair damp? It wouldn't take much.
 
WD40 doesn't work very good for protecting against rust. Somewhere on here there is a test with pictures where a guy took sheets of steel and sprayed them down with different kinds of oils and then sprayed them down with salt water. WD40 didn't do much better than the sheet that didn't have anything at all sprayed on it. I had already been using and swore by Breakfree CLP and in that test it was one of the if not the best ones at corrosion resistance. I'll see if I can find that thread if your interested in reading it.
 
Yup, rust loves nice clean steel. WD40 stands for "Water Displacement 40th Formula", and that is what it was made to do. displace water, not rust proof steel. Were your sheaths still a hair damp? It wouldn't take much.

you know what thats probably exactly what it was now that u say it... its like i spend so much time making these and i end up getting beat down by a little rust... i dont wanna k ife to go out and in 2 days get contacted from a rustly blade
 
I personally use medium way lube to oil my blades while I'm making them (as well as most of the machine equipment in my shop). It's made to lubricate ground ways for machinery, and sticks/stays really well.

Normally I don't worry about it until my final finsh step, at which point I keep the blade completely wet until both sides are done, so rust doesn't have a chance to form. Then I wash the blade gently with soap and water, and dry with a clean microfiber. I immediately oil it with way lube, then wipe it back off until only a thin sheen remains. Then I tape the blade up for finishing the knife. I find that the light coat of oil is just enough to let the tape still stick, but not leave any adhesive residue.

When I deliver a knife that's for food, I clean the way lube off with solvent, then apply a light coat of mineral oil for delivery.
 
Did you wrap the blades in Saran warp before putting them in the sheaths?

The leather can take a day or two to dry from forming and dyeing.
 
yes deff wrapped them up real good, im just betting the sheaths werent totally dried the leather was pretty thick
 
Use a light coating of mineral oil. WD-40 will actually cause rust.

Horsecarp! (intentional misspelling) The oil in WD 40 IS mineral oil. WD 40 does not cause rust, and it's a pretty good rust protectant. And no, it doesn't "gum" stuff up any more than any other oil.
I have used WD 40 for 40 plus years.
 
Horsecarp! (intentional misspelling) The oil in WD 40 IS mineral oil. WD 40 does not cause rust, and it's a pretty good rust protectant. And no, it doesn't "gum" stuff up any more than any other oil.
I have used WD 40 for 40 plus years.

So have I. I misspoke when saying that it causes rust but it does NOT protect very well. I would never use it on a knife, just my opinion your results may very.
 
Horsecarp! (intentional misspelling) The oil in WD 40 IS mineral oil. WD 40 does not cause rust, and it's a pretty good rust protectant. And no, it doesn't "gum" stuff up any more than any other oil.
I have used WD 40 for 40 plus years.

Me Too. In fact I buy it by the gallon, but I know what it is good for, what it is so-so at, and what it doesn't do. I learned early that is lousy on mill Tables, ways, or even mill vises, or any raw steel for rust prevention.

I'm editing this to say sorry to Gmoetrch911 for letting his post get out of hand.
I still suspect, as he does that the sheaths might have still not dried completely. I mean, we all know that you don't want to store knives in their sheaths even when they are supposed to be dried. They always hold a little moisture, and can wreck a blade.
 
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I build all my knives from carbon steel and never have one rust sitting around the shop. Is your shop outdoors, under a tent, wet, or what?

BTW, I also use WD-40 and it does not cause rust...
 
Thanx everone for the info it is much apprecited . chocking this one up to a learning experience and gonna keep on trucking along thank again
 
Several thoughts come to mind from this discussion;
1) Elimination oxygen from the blade is the way to stop rust. Water is not the enemy, oxygen is. Make two newly ground blades. Set one on the bench right after grinding and submerge one in a pan of water. The blade exposed to the air will rust much faster. WD-40, oils, waxes ( Renaissance is superb!), bear fat, etc. all are there merely to keep oxygen from getting to the steel. The lower the volatility and the better it sticks to the steel, the better the coating will last and protect. Waxes and very viscous oils are perfect, but hard to get evenly applied. For this reason, most commercial surface protectants have a volatile solvent carrier that allows the wax/oil to get complete coverage of the steel, penetrate all pores and cracks, and then evaporate, leaving behind a thin protective layer of oxygen blocker.
2) Moisture. This isn't the liquid water I was talking about above, it is the moisture in the air. Moisture is water vapor, and it makes the chemical reaction between iron and oxygen faster. The reason a damp blade rust so fast is that the thin surface film of water evaporates, leaving a moist oxygen rich atmosphere around the blade. The thin film of water also provides a conduit for the oxygen in the air to get to the iron in the steel. This is called "wetting".
On smooth surfaces the water vapor dissipates by convection into the air fairly rapidly, but in crevices, dirty spots, or pores/pits, the moisture stays much longer, creating rust lines and pits.
Keeping the shop dry and doing anything to lower the humidity is important. Dump slack tubs when done for the day if practical. Get rid of wet rags and paper towels sitting on the bench ( best to take them out of the shop), and have some moving air in the shop. A small fan running all the time is a good idea if rust is a problem in you shop. Cleaning the blade well with a solvent, wiping it completely dry, and then oiling will keep a blade rust free. Another problem with a wet blade is that as the water evaporates, it leaves behind all dissolved minerals as salts. Just think about your slack tub and dunk pan....what is in that? Do you rinse off blades in them after putting them in the FC tank? Do you spit, pee, dump beer/soda/etc. in them? Does the shop grinding grit settle in them. Is your local water high in minerals or slightly acidic?....well you get my drift - when evaporated, all that will be on the blade surface, waiting to react with the water vapor and oxygen in the air and eat microscopic holes in the steel. Some may not show up as visible immediately, but later on they can come back as rust spots/pits.
3) Sheaths. Tight leather looks great on sexy women, but is not what you want on steel. First, all leather is not the same. Knives are safest from corrosion when carried in sheaths made from vegetable tanned hides. Chrome tanning, brain tanning, oak tanning, urea/salt/bile/etc., and most dying processes use chemicals that leave behind salts which eat steel.
If the sheath is wet formed, it may take a week or more for the moisture to dry out. NEVER keep a knife for more than a few hours in a newly shaped sheath for at least a month.
The best sheaths are not the prettiest. A long term use sheath is wet formed, dried for weeks, and then oiled to become permanently water resistant. It will be tan to brown and rather utilitarian looking, but with periodic re-oiling it can last centuries without damaging a blade.
Knives should not be stored in their sheath. After cleaning and oiling, store in a knife pouch/case, box, drawer, or wrap in anti-rust paper.
4) Cleaning a blade is important. Any small particles of organic material, or metallic salts will attract moisture and make rust spots and pits.
5) Surface preparation is important in rust prevention. The surface needs to be sanded smooth enough to remove deeper scratches and pits in the steel. These places will be breeding ground for rust. One reason old reclaimed steel rusts so easily is it is already filled with deep pits and channels into the steel surface. These can't be removed, and you can't see most of them.... but they will come back to haunt you. "Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday,..... and for the rest of the blades life."

Final comments -
Protect the time and effort you spent on a knife. Instruct the new owner on care, cleaning, and storage. Somehow, they always feel it is your fault it rusted on them.
Protect yourself from heartache. After every showing of a knife, even if just between a few buddies, clean and oil the knife. A tiny spot of spittle, a fingerprint, etc. can be a big pit the next time you see that knife. I just spent ten hours of hand sanding restoring a prized bowie knife belonging to Ken Burns from this exact situation. He showed it to some guests and put it safely away in its case. The next time he took it out there were four nice rust pits where someone spittle had landed. (BTW, this was Ken Burns the rocket scientist, not the film guy:) )
I keep a cloth impregnated with Renaissance wax in a plastic bag at shows. Throughout the day I wipe down the blades as people set them down after looking at them.
 
I have never used this but am wondering if the ones discussing this subject have tried it. Tuff Cloth. Any good?
 
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