110 data sheet error

Joe Houser

Joe Houser

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I humbly submit that the data sheet you all have, has some errors. Specifically as it pertains to the Third Version. Variation 4 is the only one that has no inlay rivets. :foot:
When I put this thing together, I regrouped the categories into a way that was, believe it or not, less confusing. I checked my old grouping and I had it right. Apparantly, in my haste to regroup, I made some typos. :thumbdn:
Anyway, I am fixing the data sheet and will gladly resend it to anyone interested.
Also, I am taking exploded view pictures of Second Version, Variation 3 through Third Version, Variation 5. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words they say. Hopefully these pics will help to see what was going on in the production process and also help to see each variation in detail.
 
I fixed mine last night, just after I got it. And thanks.

I'd be interested in what you have to say about this:

(It's off that notorious auction place.)

Years back Bernard Levine published the first book on the Buck 110 which broke down into four catagories.First version 1964 to 1965.Second version 1966 to 1969.Third version 1970 to 1976. fourth version 1977 to 1980.Now what happened was Blade magazine came out with a Knives &Their values book which broke down the Buck 110 into eight versions which makes things more complicated.To me the four versions is easier to deal with.For instance yours would be a second version,type 7.Now for another instance a fourth version,type 1 would be the first 110 to come out with two dots.Blade has it as a sixth version with the date listed as 1974 to 1980.That really blows me away because the first dotted 110 hit the market in early 1977.The reason I know this is that I started collecting the 110`s in 1973 and purchased a new one every year clear into the late 80`s.I`m also a member of the Buck collectors club].
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What I particularly noticed was where he said:

"...the first dotted 110 hit the market in early 1977."

According to your info it would be 1974.

If I'm understanding this right.

Thanks.
 
Joe, Mr. Trump says "YOUR FIRED"! :D JUST KIDDING!

Just so I understan right, we should change this to say that Variations 5,6,7 DO have inlay rivets right?


Variation 3. (1967) Left hand stamped BUCK, U.S.A., butt rivets, blade bushing, and spring holder integral to right hand side, blade rivet separate piece, 2 brass inlay rivets, brass rocker rivet.
Variation 4. Same as variation 3 above except no inlay rivets.
Variation 5. Same as variation 4 above except one separate piece butt rivet, no blade bushing.
Variation 6. Same as variation 5 above except two separate piece butt rivets.
Variation 7. Same as variation 6 above except right hand stamped.
 
Joe Houser said:
I humbly submit that the data sheet you all have, has some errors. Specifically as it pertains to the Third Version. Variation 4 is the only one that has no inlay rivets. :foot:
When I put this thing together, I regrouped the categories into a way that was, believe it or not, less confusing. I checked my old grouping and I had it right. Apparantly, in my haste to regroup, I made some typos. :thumbdn:
Anyway, I am fixing the data sheet and will gladly resend it to anyone interested.
Also, I am taking exploded view pictures of Second Version, Variation 3 through Third Version, Variation 5. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words they say. Hopefully these pics will help to see what was going on in the production process and also help to see each variation in detail.
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JOE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A COPY OF THE DATA SHEET. THANKS, STEVE
 
I think the best way to do this is to just let you know when all the changes are made and then send you each a new sheet.
Buck 110, thanks for those, you really know your 110! I had that rare inverted 3 liner on my notes from Larry Oden but it did not get to the final.
I purposely left off the 4 inlay pin variation because it was not really a change, but just Buck using up some old parts. I will gladly put it in the list if you all want. Waddayasay?
I took pictures of several of the earlier variations. Now I just have to take that picture posting tutorial and see if I can figure it out.
 
Whoa.....does that mean this knife had FIVE rivets to a side in 1979???

It also seems we use scale and inlay to mean the same thing?

And we use rivet and pin to mean the same thing?

I must be missing something here.
 
Joe Houser said:
I purposely left off the 4 inlay pin variation because it was not really a change, but just Buck using up some old parts. I will gladly put it in the list if you all want. Waddayasay?
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Put it in! :cool: :thumbup:


I took pictures of several of the earlier variations. Now I just have to take that picture posting tutorial and see if I can figure it out.
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Pics to go with your cheat sheets would be like totally awesome!!! :D
 
Roc,
I did not answer your question about that quote.
Yes, it was much easier to use the 110 info contained in the earlier edtions of Levines. That is because it is incomplete. The late Vern Taylor, founder of the Collectors club, wrote that and he did most of it by memory. It was an incredible job to say the least and I don't want to take away anything from him on that.
Since then, I have had the opportunity to examine several hundred 110's from 1964 through 1985, and fill in some holes. It was very helpful to actually have the knives at my disposal because I was able to study their construction by taking many of them apart and draw conclusions based on that. Also, there was a LOT of helpful input from Collector club members.
More than any other model, the information we have on the 110 is evolving. Because of comments recieved from guys on this forum, the data sheet will be revised. But don't be too surprised if more changes happen in the future. :)
 
Oh, I believe it.

Thanks for your diligence in finding and answering the questions. Seems there are a lot of them.
 
Joe Houser said:
I think the best way to do this is to just let you know when all the changes are made and then send you each a new sheet.
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Why not just post it on the Web somewhere (your ISP surely allocates you 5 or 10 MB of space on his server - it's standard practice) and post the URL in your 110 thread???

Then every time you change something, just delete the old file, and replace it with the new [updated] file...and post that you've made the change...

Making the whole thing a PDF file with integrated pics alongside the versions/variations would be the bomb!!! :D
 
Trax,
Thats a great idea but remember how long it took me to figure out how to post pics here? :rolleyes:
Your not dealing with a computer genius here by any stretch of the imagination. ;)
For now, if I could just get everybody interested to send me an email sometime next week. I will respond with the revised data sheet. Also, if you have any revisions or clarifications you would like for this document, please email them to me. I have a couple collectors I bounce this sort of thing off before I publish, just to make sure it makes sense.
 
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It was very helpful to actually have the knives at my disposal because I was able to study their construction by taking many of them apart and draw conclusions based on that.
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For some reason this nearly brought tears to my eyes...Same as some of Joes Pics.

All those oldies being autopsied.... but I understand....

Maybe I will revise my will and donate an oldie 110 to science. :p
 
Pack Rat said:
All those oldies being autopsied.... but I understand....

Maybe I will revise my will and donate an oldie 110 to science. :p
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...Hey rodent...I've been known to do a bit of surgical investigation in dark places at my place of employment ya know...LOL...You can always send a few here...:eek: :p :rolleyes: :D
 
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