12 inch AK first review...

"in wilderness camping there's alot of, sorta whittling-making your own stuff. And I know I wouldn't be able to whittle well with the 15".

Shirley, the 12" AK is a dandy little khuk, but if I read you right it's not what you're after. Take a look at the JKM-1 and the Kumar Karda, especially the JKM-1. What I think I'm hearing is that you need a good utility belt knife that'll whittle firesticks, tent pegs, and such. A lot of small cutting tasks pop up around a wilderness camp, and while the karda from your 15" AK will handle a lot of it, there's times when a sharp, sturdy, belt knife is handy to have. In the field my JKM-1 lives on my trouser belt, while my khuk rides lashed to my pack or load bearing equipment. The JKM-1, properly sharpened to a Scandinavian bevel, with no secondary bevel, whittles and slices like a dream.

Sarge

edited to add: If you're on a budget, or just saving money to buy more khuks (and rightly so), then you might want to check out one of the inexpensive knives from Mora, Sweden, like this;
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This one's made by KJ Eriksson, and can be obtained for $9 + shipping from www.ragweedforge.com These simple knives from the village of Mora, made by either Frost's or Eriksson, are much favored by wilderness survival instructors. I know from long experience with these knives that better whittlers/utility knives are hard to come by at any price.
 
Silverfalcon, you have so many dang blades hanging off your person do you have any room left for a good handgun in the wilderness?

...kinda reminds me of the scene where Mad Max has to surrender his arms before going into Barter Town...



munk
 
You didn't ask so I hope you don't mind, a bit of background. May help focus your powers of suggestion.;)

Kids(son, daughter) and I are planning to practice the wilderness survival skills learned over the years.
Basically you get a knife, (thats where I started my search and ended up at HI then here.) go out in the woods and see what shape your in, come 48 hrs. It'll be yelling distance of each other, visiting for company or advice permitted just no help with essentials. (sm kf & flint allowed)

In this vein I'm thinking:

15" siru (anyone know how the weight of 18"GS compares to 15" siru?)
12"-14" ghopte bal.
12" AK


Kis:
Don't be confusing me now.:)
Actually I want some traditional khuks first.
Though I keep looking at that YCS.:D
Have to wait till my right arm gets better; thats part of my
problem/and my sock drawer fills up!.:(

Slvrfalcn:
I'd agree, excellent whittler for can't beat price.
Bought us all one of those last year, for skills learning.
We're getting luxurious this year, also I don't want to keep buying them knives.
 
Another to consider is the BAS.

I know, I've told everyone I don't care for them. Well, I don't. They don't turn me on, kinda like kissing your sister.

But they are relatively small and lightweight and can do a job for you.
 
I'll bet your kids will love it!

My parents played a similar game with me when I was a kid.

I'd go to school, and when I would come home, they would have moved!

Sometimes, it tooks days to find them. Good times!
 
A knife in the woods for 48 hours? You'll be making a shelter and finding water. Does anyone plan on killing and grilling a squirrel?





munk
 
What??? You have to kill them first?? No wonder all of mine cook unevenly.
 
never mind the uneven cooking; you been eating sweet breads straight from the jar, huh?




munk
 
Kis:
You must be one heck of a tracker!
That was funny:D ! And :cool: . Did they work in the bush?
Not only is it fun, it's part of their core curriculum, learning resourceful self-sufficiency, along with the academics(we homeschool). Kilt two birds with one stone, I think.

Munk:
Think I'll go vegetarian on this trip-as per YVSA's definition. Not against it, just don't have the heart for it unless there is reason enough. Never had squirrel, you?


:confused: What is it you guys are doing through a straw!?!
Tell me: only if it's G-rated stuff.:D :rolleyes:
 
No squirrel here, though Dad used to hunt and eat them during the Great Depression. I was mostly thinking to survive with a knife you'd have to get real hungry and real serious.

munk
 
Or use that knife to make snares and/or traps and wait..and wait..and..(actually you'd do other thing with that time).
 
I dunno...better ask Yvsa....someone better spook the deer down a trail, then the other person with the khuk wacks one as they run by. Either that or wait patiently in a tree and then, gulp, jump down on one with the blade.

There are some knives better suited to mounting on limbs for spears or throwing sticks.

munk
 
Meant snares/traps for small game.
Hungry for sure if less than 5' of me is gonna jump a deer. Maybe never eat again!
Make bow and arrows-but one good enough to take down a deer... don't have that skill yet.(never tried)
 
I know what you meant. Me, I'm thinking of a bungee cord hooked to a khukuri....


munk
 
Me, I'm thinking of a bungee cord hooked to a khukuri....
Click to expand...

"Look Ma, No hands!!!"

Helluva yo-yo....

I'd try a fire-hardened sharp stick many, many, many times before I'd risk losing the precious knife by tying it to a stick and poking somethin'. Throw it??? Forget it.

Atlatls or spear-throwers look interesting...Should be easier than making a decent bow??

atlatls.jpg


This guy has some for sale, a web search will turn up lots of info. Other intriguing things on this site too. Including amusing, fun, sorta chessy modeling pix :eek: Not to worry--PG-rated.

http://www.primitiveweapons.com/products/atlatl.html

This one especially for munk:

yoyo.jpg


"Philippine Battle Tree Yo-Yo
Another weapon of the Philippines the battle tree yo-yo has been in use for 500+ years. It is dropped from trees (lucky that it does not return)."

Yo, Fed! Is this latter item for real????
 
Firkin, you always have so much to teach me.

I was actually thinking of the bungee cord drawing the khuk back like a catapalt arm...with some form of trigger when a tasty rabbit would walk by the trail...

I was hunting in So Cal once, sitting by a tree. saw no deer, but was so still that squirrels were running around oblivious to me. They came within a few feet and then I jumped up and they took off shocked out of their sweet breads. Maybe a Khuk could do OK.

munk
 
Firkin one of the stories my dad used to always tell me was that yo-yos were used as weapons way back when in the Philippines, and that a yo-yo was used to help kill Magellan. Now, Ive heard this story from alot of filipinos, but Ive never actually seen a "battle yo-yo" in real life. I looked over Krieger's Smithsonian plates (an online version is on the EEWRS), and lo and behold there is no picture of a battle yo-yo. Now, mind you perhaps its just a simple case that none are in the Smithsonian collection, but when I read Pigafetta's account of the battle of Mactan, I read references for iron tipped spears on fire hardened bamboo poles, long knives, and swords, but no battle yo-yos. Or at least rocks on strings (thats what my dad used to say the early yo-yos were). Now mind you I do see how a rock on a string could have some real useful purposes, but on a practical level I just aint seen no real honest to goodness battle yo-yos before, nor have I seen anyone display the battle techniques of using a battle yo-yo. So, in simple words, I dunno, but if you wanna believe I wont stop ya.:D However, that being said, perhaps kid street gangs may have use battle yo-yos. Ive heard of some strange weapons being used by Manila street gangs (slingshots that shoot barbed nails, forks bent into crude kubatons, homemade pipe guns, good ol board with rusty nail, etc...), so who knows.
 
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