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14C28N source

Here’s a picture of .138 bar. Every piece I’ve ever received from Admiral in 14C28N has been similar
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Unless my eyes are deceiving me that's a pretty clean surface. I got a small piece of 440c from them a while back but the mill scale was extremely thick and it took me way too long to grind it down to a clean surface. So I've been wary of their HRA. But that looks good
 
Now I see that Admiral is saying that steels may be oversized by upto 0.040 inches.

Hear is another picture of 14C28N from Admrial.

That's super helpful, thanks for the pic. That looks cold rolled annealed to me even though they're saying hot rolled. Yes they told me their incoming (June) .156 is going to be .04 oversized, which is *a lot*. Will be interesting to see.
 
FYI, Pops Knife supply has 14C28N in .118" x 8.27" x 12" sheets now. Just ordered 2!
 
So, the issue is that it is oversized less than paper thin!? European manufacturers add always 0.1mm so it's not thinner than advertised. Here it's standard 4mm. Decarb layer is larger 🤔
 
Where are you finding .040" paper?
Excellent point. Checked with a calculator... oops 😶
Now we understand why NASA nad US military went metric.
Back to subject. Never heard of Alleima doing 5mm 14C28N. That's something new. I would like that, just can't find it in EU.
 
Excellent point. Checked with a calculator... oops 😶
Now we understand why NASA nad US military went metric.
Back to subject. Never heard of Alleima doing 5mm 14C28N. That's something new. I would like that, just can't find it in EU.
NASA doing metric might have been something to do with their best and brightest having learned metric along with German grammar at school........
 
NASA doing metric might have been something to do with their best and brightest having learned metric along with German grammar at school........

They, learned All kinds of stuff.....😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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FYI, Pops Knife supply has 14C28N in .118" x 8.27" x 12" sheets now. Just ordered 2!

If only those were 24" long. .....such a Fun, wicked Ass Chopper could be had.
 
Least we forget the Mars Climate Orbiter that was destroyed because of a conversion error. The program was written by NASA in metric but Lockheed Martin built the orbiter and its software in English.

Most English measurements came from Roman measurements. All length/distance measurements were from anthropic sources - a finger, an arm, a foot, a pace, Small length measurements were a reference to the length of a barleycorn and a poppy seed. Very small weights of precious things like gemstones and valuable metals were based on a carob seed - carat.
Then weight got even funnier. Both money and weight were the same to start with. It was based on the weight of a grain of wheat. 24 grains = one pennyweight, 20 pennyweight = 1 ounce, 12 ounces = 1 pound of sterling silver, thus 240 pennyweight to the pound sterling. Then coin minters got those numbers flipped - 12 pennies= 1 shilling, 20 shillings=1 pound. Still 240 pennies to the pound. These weights were called Troy, named after the French town of Troyes where England and Europe traded. The term Sterling came from Austria, where the most reliable silver coins were made. They were 92.5% silver. The country was called Oesterreich, which meant eastern state. The English and French called the merchants from there "Easterlings". The Easterling Silver coin was shortened to "Sterling Silver", and 20 equaled a pound troy. The English king ordered all silver to be made from this purity and it has been the standard worldwide since. Most of Europe adopted the one ounce silver coin as their standard, which made trade easier (the EU started a long time ago). The word shilling came from a root that meant "cut". All one ounce coins could be legally cut into 12 pieces to make change. Spain decided it was easier to cut a one ounce coins into eight pieces - half, quarter, eighth. A whole coin was a "piece of eight". The US used the Spanish method and coins in our early days to rid us from the English coins and money system. We had a 12.5 cent silver coin called a "bit". Anyone remember chanting, "Two bits, Four bits, Six bits , a dollar" at football games?. We had a eighth dollar, of which two made a quarter dollar, of which two made a half dollar of which two made a dollar.
At the founding of the USA, we used both English, and Spanish coins and system, with a little French thrown in. This got confusing, as we had systems based on 12 as well as 8 a. We had half-pennies, pennies, 2-pennies, 3-pennies, half dimes, dimes, 1/8 dollars, etc.
The French went metric after their revolution and convinced the US to use a system based on 100 parts. We had all sorts of different coins based on French coins then. A French disme (meaning a tenth) became our "dime", and was 1/10 of a dollar, we had half-dimes,
The Normand conquest lead to a law called " Composition of Yards and Perches" . The Magna Carta states that all measurements should be standardized. The "standards" were kept by the Exchequer in a locked room. They were chains, rods, and blocks made in iron or wood.
An interesting thing about the French is they started with a system like the English with 12 and 20 making an ounce - Livre (pound) of silver divided into 20 sols or sous (shillings) and the sol divided into 12 deniers (pennies). During the wars with England, they hated the English and went with the Franc system. After the French Revolution they hated the Old Aristocracy, so the scientists took control of the government and abandoned all past measurements and monetary systems, basing everything on metric. They even developed a "decimal day" with 100 seconds to the minute, 100 minutes to the hour and 10 hours to the day. The metric day only lasted 6 years, but the metric system became the world standard. Even England went to it eventually. The new day only lasted 6 years. During the 1800's all of Europe (and most of the world), except England, went metric. The US went metric in 1866 ... but never made the act of Congress mandatory. They passed the metric act again in 1975, but didn't do it. and crashed a 1/3 billion dollar mars orbiter because of it 25 years later.
 
The US went metric in 1866 ... but never made the act of Congress mandatory. They passed the metric act again in 1975, but didn't do it. and crashed a 1/3 billion dollar mars orbiter because of it 25 years later.
We still use the metric system, we're just in denial. All U.S. measurements are defined by their metric equivalents.
 
Yes, but the label will have the metric conversion of the English amount. We sell a quart of milk, which has 946ml in parentheses. If you went anywhere in the world and ordered 946ml of milk they would think you were crazy. Everyone sells liters but the US and some parts of Canada.

A funny thing in all this is the building standards of most places are still based on the old English sizes. This is because the standards came from the worldwide British Empire. Lumber yards and blueprints in the metric world list 5X10 (or 50X100) studs spaced 40 (or 400) and 1200X2400 sheets of plywood from Oslo to Calcutta. That is because the old rules were 2X4 spaced 16" and 4X8 foot sheets of plywood. The standard 8-foot ceiling is from the same old lumber sizes.
 
Yes, but the label will have the metric conversion of the English amount. We sell a quart of milk, which has 946ml in parentheses. If you went anywhere in the world and ordered 946ml of milk they would think you were crazy. Everyone sells liters but the US and some parts of Canada.

A funny thing in all this is the building standards of most places are still based on the old English sizes. This is because the standards came from the worldwide British Empire. Lumber yards and blueprints in the metric world list 5X10 (or 50X100) studs spaced 40 (or 400) and 1200X2400 sheets of plywood from Oslo to Calcutta. That is because the old rules were 2X4 spaced 16" and 4X8 foot sheets of plywood. The standard 8-foot ceiling is from the same old lumber sizes.

Stacy, you know a Lot of stuff.
 
Thank you.
I have a shirt that was a gift for my birthday that says, "I fix things and I know stuff". It is my wife's favorite shirt.

I try to learn as much as I can. At 75 I still spend 2-3 hours every day learning things. It used to be reading many books and magazines. Now it is randomly learning things on the internet.
 
I was born in 1968 when NZ went to decimal currency, did my apprenticeship in a sugar refinery that was built in 1880 in Imperial and still had triple expansion steam engines, run my lathe in mm, my mill in Imperial, think of clearances in thou, fabricate in mm, convert 4 cylinder engines into liters and V8s into cu inches .....
Knives get ground by eye and NEVER measured.
 
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