15" Ang Khola as a fighting blade?

Chopsticks, I won't argue with any of the opinions posted. I took four blades out yesterday and did a bit of chopping and just general moving the blades through the air. I had the 15" AK, 21" GS, 18 and 16.5" WWII. I haven't had anything to do with the Chitlangi and with what I have right now I don't know whether I will get one. I got some surprises yesterday and some conformations that I ran into in previous use of some of these Khuks.

First of all, to me the GS in the 21" persuasion is not what would be my first choice of a fighter or chopper either. Some one with very big arms could probably do OK with it but, I'm getting old enough that blades over 12" and in the case of the Siru 20" max is all that I want or need. I found the GS by Kumar to be a very blade heavy tool and slow on the pick up when just swinging it as if in a fight. Kind of like the blade trying to swing me. I found that when chopping with it it was just a bit hard to chop without a vibration that sounded like the blade was loose or some of the brass was. I found this not to be the case though. I tried the GS on some brush that I am going to have to clear. If it hadn't been in the over 95 degree range I would have cleared the thing pretty quick. It seemed to do pretty will up to about 3" maybe 3.5" stock after that the vibration seemed to start again. Next time I have time I am going to try useing two hand for a bit and see what happens.

The other three blades I have used a lot so it didn't take long to check out what I was pretty sure was going to be true with them. A surprise for me was the balance point on the 2 WWII's. Both blades balanced as close to the 3" mark in front of the bolster as you can get. I figure that the blade and handle differences between knives is the cause of this. I kept looking at those four knives and the curve angle turned out to be in three different angles. The WWII's being the same and the AK having the sharpest angle. I later found the 15" and 12" AK's had the same sharp angle.

From this limited knife play the two knives that seemed to be the fastest for me to move and handle as a weapon were the AK and the 16.5" WWII. The 18" WWII was close behind the other two. If push came to shove I wouldn't feel poorly armed with any of them but the 21" GS seemed more of a two handed weapon to me. So, to me we are back to the begining of all the discussion. AK's are choppers, the WWII's are the tool/weapon/choppers, and the GS mostly a fighter. I wish I could get my hands on an 18" GS for a while. I'm sure it would perform quite different. The one other knife that to me is a general use khuk is the 18" Siru. Light tough and a do anything knife. I'm sorry I can't tell any one what is the best knife. They are all good for what they were made for. I think Uncle Bill is right as rain. For a hand held weapon the 16.5" WWII is probably the best tool/weapon that has been made. I know from experience with it that I can work all day and not need another weapon or tool. I'm talking hard work. Limbing Oak trees? Just what I ran into.
 
Have you played with a BAS?

When I had it, it seemed to be the compromise design for utility/quickness. Certainly strong, and balanced back to the wrist more than the 15AK I compared it to. (Amtrak BAS,Bura AK.)

I REMEMBER Texas summer heat (Longview area). There were days when you had to reach forward and move the AIR out of the way to take another step!

:rolleyes:
 
You Bet, the BAS is a very good khuk. It was the second knife I ordered from Uncle Bill. I have never been sorry that I got it. I almost gave it away once but now that the maker no longer works at the shop I'm glad it wasn't wanted. A Kesar blade. I can't think of a man in the world that should be ashamed to carry one of them. I still use it at night quite often. Short and light enogh that I won't get hurt sneaking through the trees. I worry about the longer ones getting tangled in the brush or low limbs of the cedars.

You probably should get another one. It is a good knife and handy as can be. You are right about the balance of the thing too. Just kind of sits there in the hand and a flick of the wrist does the work.:)
 
Many thanks Pappy! I guess this means that I'll have to earn for another 16.5 WWII before getting something else... This time by Bura. :cool:
 
Since we're talking 15" blades here, and we're talking fighting, I have to admit to a particular bias. The "Amtrak Kami" BAS that Kis is talking about is indeed a fine blade, and well balanced. But, it feels like it's moving underwater compared to my 15" Bura made "Magic Sirupati". Both the AK and the BAS will outchop the little Siru, but human beings ain't made of seasoned oak last time I checked. You don't have to lop a fellow's arm off to damage it to the point that it's disabled, a 2" blade pocketknife will cut deep enough to sever tendons. Ugly stuff, how about this weather we've been having?

Sarge
 
Pappy,

I have an 18" Gelbu, and it is fairly quick, weighing in at 22 oz. But I agree about the vibration/shock when chopping hard wood. Dang thing just doesn't seem to have as big of, or as sweet, a swwet spot.

I have a 18" Chitlangi that is about the same weight, and it feels not quite as snappy, but more balanced and less fatiguing to use. It has a little more belly and a seemingly a much bigger sweet spot. It's also a bit thinner.

Dunno about the 21" versions of either, I used to think that I wanted a 21" Chitlangi, but now I'm not so sure, since lately they seem to weigh in at about 32 oz.

What I said doesn't have much to do with fighting, but if you have a chance to try an 18" Chitlangi, be sure and take it. Mine is definately different than the Gelbu, and Kesar made both.

The light chainpuris that have shown up lately look pretty interesting.
 
My 18" WWII is a good do anything blade. I have trimmed trees with it, I have also checked out noises in the night with it. It's not quick as lightning but I wouldn't call it slow either. I have a lot of confidance in it. Then I skipped a size bracket and picked up a pair of 25" sirus by Sher. The wood handled one is a worker, long and strong. The horn handled one is a weapon. They're the same length, close to the same weight, but I think Sher must have been in a black mood when he made this one. Either that or it was blessed with more than it's fair share of blood. I don't know how to explain it in a way that would make sense to non-Cantina members. Then I skipped a size bracket the other way. The little 12" siru that sleeps in my desk drawer is frequently grabbed to check noises. It wont lop off a limb but...only here is an 8" blade called "cute". It is also more portable than a two pound 12" blade. If I lived in a rural area I would probably carry it about half the time. As much as I love the big WWII, I wouldn't want to have it hanging on my hip for hours on end. Next in line is my JKM-1. It fairly begs to go with me every day. As soon as I craft, or have crafted, a sheath that really does the little guy justice it will probably be part of my EDC, even though I live in the suburbs. It's small enough to hide in plain site, sharp enough to cut to the bone, light enough to actually be there when you need it. So I guess in a roundabout way I nominate the JKM-1 for a fighting knife :p

Frank
 
Okay then how about the much loved 12" inch ang khola?!

The "Pilot Survival" knives issued to Army and Air Force aviators only have a 5" blade. They can, and have, been used as weapons. Would the guys faced with having to use them as such greatly preferred to have been armed with a 20" Sirupati, et al? You bet. Were they happy to have had at least some sort of weapon with which to defend themselves? Definitely. Would I draw a 12" AK and use it to inflict mortal wounds on an enemy if left with no other option? Yes. Having said that, I don't consider the 12" AK to be a weapon any more than a brick or a beer bottle, under extreme circumstances any one of 'em would take a man out. If I felt the dire need to arm myself for my very life's protection, a knife would only be supplemental gear anyway. Sorry to be so blunt, but gunpowder made packing a sword obsolete long, long, ago.

Sarge
 
Yea, that's why I'm earning for a mossberg for the house or a FAL kit or something...

Still, you know that having a 12' Ang Khola allows an average weakling to perform ALL kinds of ninja moves and get ALL the ladies! :D :eek:

One can even say that it is quite GANGSTUH! :cool:
 
Originally posted by Chopsticks
Still, you know that having a 12' Ang Khola allows an average weakling to perform ALL kinds of ninja moves and get ALL the ladies!

It's not working for me. :(
 
I would carry a firearm more than I do but, even as far from town as I live; there are neighbors that drive by and some of them seem to get a bit jumpy when they see folks totin six shooters. On the other hand there are times that I don't care what the neighbors think. If it appears advisable to carry close to home that is what I will do.
Do to some wild things happening not too far from this area I am armed with something all the time.
usually one of the gifts that I have received. The 12" AK, the little Kagas Katne, or the bilton that I got from Terry. The 12" AK gets the nod about ninty percent of the time because it can do so many things easier than the smaller blades.

I have to admit that I am getting real used to the Bilton for a carry knife. Even though the AK is still on its own belt in front of the Bilton.

I don't have any of the military type rifles around the house any more but the .44 Cal. pieces will do just about all that I need to do around here.

And, Yes, my 15" Siru is one very fast blade by Sanu. I keep it good and sharp and not far away when I'm in the house. That is strange too. None of my blades are very far away when inside and, I seem to have one at least very close when outside too.:) :D

Edited to add: Tohatchi, when you meet the 16.5" WWII I know you are going to love it. The blade is still going to be 11" or better and the is one lot of steel going into that handle. I kind of like the shorter handle. To me it handles quite different from the 18" You will see some of these days.:D
 
I'll check out a 18"/21 oz. Bura tomorrow if the Post Office gets the packages put up early.
 
So I guess in a roundabout way I nominate the JKM-1 for a fighting knife

Frank, a JKM-1 makes a sweet boot knife. I've got one that was a Shanker blem, that I went to work on with a file and some sandpaper. Thinned down the handle slabs and reshaped the buttcap so the handle has a flattened oval cross section. Compact, comfortable, good for concealed carry as a backup.

Sarge
 
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