15 yard shotgun

[koyote]

I'm curious about some aspects of this. I've never had a hunting shot over about 65 yards to begin with, and for smaller game I've rarely had to hold past about 30. honestly, 10-20 is about right for most small meat hunting.

So, given all that, why wouldn't this be a perfect survival hunting weapon? I don't want to get into self defense, lest I suffer another round of .410 being weaker than a BB gun and so on and so forth- but for hunting I don't see a lot of issue with it. I'd love to know how it patterns at 20 and 25 yards with 6 and 4 shot

I imagine it would be possible to put a choke system on it, but it's be way more effort than it's worth, I guess.

 

[valcas1]

I just got a rossi matched pair in .410 an . 22 LR....The .410 has a mod choke.. so I/m expecting I might be able to sneak another 5 yards of effectiveness out of it..

Glad you pulled the trigger! You are going to love that little set up for the money you paid.

Paul

 

[plumberroy]

Koyote, if you listen to people on the "net" the fourten isn't good for anything bigger than house sparrows and chipmunks. Here is what I know. I was given a 410 H&R single shot at 10 I was taught its limitions basicly don't shoot over 25 yards with shot or 40 yards with slugs, and take a shot unless I was reasonablely sure I could make it. If I got caught shooting beyond my range or at something I had little chance of hitting . I got a boot in the ass. I was hunting by myself at 12 years old. Since the internet wasn't around to tell me my gun couldn't do that I would hide in the bushes where the geese came in for a landing to the creek and drop them as the flew over at 20-30 feet I killed about anything we had around at that time . At one time when I was fourteen Dad was away for work. A feral pony that had been around for a while started tearing up the garden between canning and freezing and selling corn and beans the garden was our main food sorce being the oldest I decided it was my job to do something. I set up in a clump of trees about 50 feet off the path he was coming to the garden on . I put a slug right behind the frount leg middle ways up his chest he run about 50 feet back the way he come and collapsed dead as a doorknob I do like a break open single shut for a survival gun because I can switch from shot to slugs quickly and quietly
Forget about #4 shot in a 410 can't get enough pellets in it for a decent load and I have never seen a 410 that would pattern it well #6 is about as big as I use. I have patterned a lot of 410 loads
If the ammo selection was better I would never carry anything but a 28 ga. but alas ammo is limited. This is my woods roaming gun a H&R tamer with stocks replace with a adult choate synthetic butt stock and a survivor fore arm 35 inches O.A.L. light weight and weather resistant
Roy

 

[koyote]

Oh, I grew up with a .410- I know what it can do. I also hunt small game with airguns, and I have no issue with confidence in the ability of a dinky little 14 grain .22 pushing 600fps to take dinner. (okay, or a 8.5 grain .177 at 850fps. whatever, right?)

I have hunted jackrabbits with #4 shot in a traditional old modified choke .410 and did okay. Never really went out and patterned when I was a kid and hunting with that. Dove, quail, bunny, jacks, the occasional coyote, squirrel. once in a while a varmint of one sort or another.

 

[plumberroy]

OK You know what I mean about people on the web though I think I have 5 410's around here a standard H&R,. a youth mode,l the one in this thread, Dad's old mossberg bolt gun and a M6 scout. Check out the federal 410 handgun ammo 4 peices of #000 buck it is wicked out of a shotgun all 4 pellets in 4-6 inch group ay 25 yards ought to ruin a coyotes day
Roy

 

[RescueRiley]

Valcas.. Thanks... I got ripped off a bit.. (paid a little ore then I know its worth) but the guy in the store was really helpful.. and I opted for the nickle coated version.

 

[dipbait]

I love my H&R single shot 410 topper. I coined it the Bunny slayer. Killing rabbits, its a sweet gun. Squirrels are much tougher. I kept hitting squirrels in trees and not knocking them out. Then theyd hide behind a branch. I hate wounding animals and quit using it on tree rats.

 

[plumberroy]

I just got a rossi matched pair in .410 an . 22 LR....The .410 has a mod choke.. so I/m expecting I might be able to sneak another 5 yards of effectiveness out of it..

Dicks sporting goods as those rossi matched pair youth models for $119 with a $20 mail in rebate in either 22/410 or 22/20 ga . At that price I might pick one up to carry in the truck

 

[evbouret]

I live in Hawaii and the 410 with solids makes a great little lightweight gun to hunt wild boar with dogs. Shots are taken at distances of under 20 yards and do a number on pigs. Neck/Head shots are usually taken. Resulting in an instant kill. Quiet enough to not make your dogs deaf either. They'll kill deer or goat no problem if you can get close enough.

They WILL make you use your stalking skills. Which makes hunting a little more fun, but less effective in a survival situation than say a 20/12 guage. The 410 is going to limit your range severely, and WILL result in more wounded and lost animals.

 

[plumberroy]

I live in Hawaii and the 410 with solids makes a great little lightweight gun to hunt wild boar with dogs. Shots are taken at distances of under 20 yards and do a number on pigs. Neck/Head shots are usually taken. Resulting in an instant kill. Quiet enough to not make your dogs deaf either. They'll kill deer or goat no problem if you can get close enough.

They WILL make you use your stalking skills. Which makes hunting a little more fun, but less effective in a survival situation than say a 20/12 guage. The 410 is going to limit your range severely, and WILL result in more wounded and lost animals.

I have to disagree with that, if you stay with in the range limitations of a 410 it is no more likely to wound or lose game than any other shotgun If you are wounding a lot of game you are trying to push the limits of the gun
Roy

 

[adaman04]

Cool gun. 26 inches overall, 18" barrel from the face of the closed bolt to the muzzle. Put a cleaning rod down the barrel until it stops, mark it and measure.

Cool little gun, enjoy it. As most of you know, that receiver has a serial number. That receiver has always been the gun and always will be. He can add or remove whatever he wants from it, even building the receiver up from parts. No different than an AR build.

 

[WA Martin]

Why?? Nothing done with this set-up would be illegal in Canada...

I think the problem is that is not as it was from the factory. They sell SB rifles and shotguns in Canada. No problems if it came "from the factory" that way. At least that was what I was told when I lived in Calgary.

Cut it down = no go.

Made that way = good to go.

 

[blake g49]

I think the problem is that is not as it was from the factory. They sell SB rifles and shotguns in Canada. No problems if it came "from the factory" that way. At least that was what I was told when I lived in Calgary.

Cut it down = no go.

Made that way = good to go.

You can cut down to 18.5" with no problems - it's when things are cut shorter than this that there are problems. Anything under this must manufactured at the shorter length...

 

[evbouret]

I have to disagree with that, if you stay with in the range limitations of a 410 it is no more likely to wound or lose game than any other shotgun If you are wounding a lot of game you are trying to push the limits of the gun
Roy

Go hunt with the 410 for a few years. I'll gurantee that you'll wound more game than if you had been shooting a 12ga. If you are hungry and NEED to eat, you're going to be pushing the limits of the 410.

 

[Jeff Venture]

Check out the federal 410 handgun ammo 4 peices of #000 buck it is wicked out of a shotgun all 4 pellets in 4-6 inch group ay 25 yards ought to ruin a coyotes day
Roy

I have to agree with you totally here. My Rossi .410 with 'Judge' ammo is really accurate at the above ranges, mild recoil and a good base line load. Its my standard loadout with the gun if I do not know what I'm going to be hunting or as a basic survival round to pack with it.

 

[g123]

I have an M6. I use it mostly as a light weight 410 to pack around. The barrel is 18". I do not know what choke it has on it, but it shoots great patterns out to about 30 yards.

The 22Lr on it shoots Yellow Jackets very accurately. Between the 2, it has a lot of options.

G

 

[valcas1]

I have the Rossi 410. for my son. I love it! great little gun for the money. It makes you hunt and think about your shot, nothing wrong with that.

Thanks for the tip on the Federal ammo. I will pick up a box or two and see if I can pattern it at different ranges.

I would disagree with more wounded game if you stay within the limits of the weapon. But that is only my humble opinion.

Paul