152OT Sharpfinger Update

Codger_64

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As most of you are aware, research is a neverending effort. From time to time, new details emerge that deserve to be added to our storehouse of knife knowledge. Some are minor, such as a previously unseen SFO or limited edition, and some are fairly major, such as the one which was recently brought to my attention. How this detail escaped my attention, I have no excuse, except that a former Schrade employee read my rant on this pattern and brought the omission to my attention.

In the last few years of production, the blade grind of the Sharpfinger was changed from the historic flat ("plain" in Schrade talk) grind to a hollow grind. Looking at both my own collection and my photo archives, this change is very noticable. The grind line at the ricasso became a pronounced arc with the hollow grind, evident in any decent photographs, and easily seen when the knives are held in the hand.

The reason I was given for the change was that it was less expensive to produce, required no dedicated tooling and, in the eyes of some, increased the perceived value of the knife.

As a manufacturing engineer, my experience and judgement tells me that it was also probably an easier operation to perform with automation, the earlier knives likely being individually hand ground (hand/eye operations are more costly and less exact). Some blanks I have seem to support this supposition by the fact that they appear to be "setup pieces", where operators were adjusting the vises that held the blanks to get the two sides evenly ground.

Again, my apologies for not noticing this glaring detail change earlier. Send me your Sharpfingers along with the boxes and inserts, and I promise to do better! Be sure to include notes to my wife informing her they are loaners. The last dozen arrived without the note and I got that "Yeah, sure, whatever" look! (I wonder if eBay sellers would send such notes for me? I'll have to ask!)

Codger:o
 
"But Codger, what difference does that make?"

Glad you asked. Suppose a person was a Sharpfinger collector, and wanted to get one of each issue and variant. And suppose on the list of knives was the 152UH Wolverine. Now, that one was made 1994-98. Five years. But there was a reissue in 2003 in clampacks. One year. How do you tell the difference? Or is there any? Check the grind. A complete collection has one of each, the hollow grind being the 2003 second issue, flat grind being the '94-'98 first issue.



Codger
 
"So Codger, how does this apply to me? I only collect Cliphangers and Old Timer Classics."

A very good question, and I am glad you asked. Here is some information I recently learned.
.....did you note the change in the grind from flat/taper to hollow for approximately the last two years of production? Almost all new knives and some old knives / patterns were changed (Clip hanger, Old Timer Classics) to be hollow ground. It was less expensive to produce, required no dedicated tooling and, in the eyes of some, increased the perceived value of the knife.

Codger

I'm talking to myself now. I gotta get that fixed. Oops. Now I'm answering myself.:D
 
Mike,
Were the regular brown Derlin Old Timers also changed to a hollow grind as well? How about the Uncle Henrys? I bought a 108OT and a 807UH yesterday that had been in a display for who knows how many years, but both appear to be flat ground, but it is hard to tell on such a small knife. (I have no idea how old they are, both were display knives with out boxes).

Thanks,
Dale
 
You will each have to survey your own collections/accumilations to see what patterns were done this way. Of the dozen or so 165's I have, spanning regular production from beginning to end, and also a sampling of special factory orders, only the prototype wood handled knife has a hollow grind. It is the one I believe was prepared in 2003/04 for an unissued anniversary edition. So far, I've only really noticed the 152OT and 152UH, but many other standard folder patterns could have been affected with the grind changeover. I gave you all the information I had, that quoted from a former employee. It was just another hint at the existance of some late produced variants.



Codger
 
How about that?
Never compared them!

152hol
 
I hadn't either. And now, we have two different grinds (Flat and hollow), two blade steels (carbon and stainless), four sheaths, and three tangstamps. And that doesn't even touch on the limited editions, SFO's and prototypes. Brown, red, blue, white, ivory, yellow, orange, black, and green delrin, Staglon, Stag, rosewood, laminated wood, birdseye maple, bone, scrims.... anyone have all of these? OOPS! I forgot ironwood, cocobolo and oak!

Codger
 
Wood? I dont have any in any kind of wood. geeze these goes this months knife budget.
 


Budget? What's a budget? Is that what is left for food and house payments at the end of the month's knives?

Codger:confused:
 
When I heard about the closure, I ordered (among others) 4 158OT's in
orange from Smokey Mtn. 3 were flat, 1 was hollow. I think the hollow
one is most attractive and also looks more "fragile" for some reason.
 
You guys crack me up, or I did it myself.

I just searched through all of my Schrade fixed blades for a hollow ground blade. None of my OldTimers were hollow-ground nor the Golden Spike, but the PH1 and PH2 both are. Probably all of those models were.

Then checking in one last place, I found one! A 158OT with a hollow grind. Crazily the knife isn't part of my collection; it's one I accidently ordered one day when I forgot that I already had a 158OT. It was set aside as an "extra" to give away or trade later. It's going into the collection now!

In light of this topic, I predict a sudden upswing in eBay prices for 152/158 Old Timers with hollow-grind blades. :cool:

-Bob
 
I am really, really, really sorry guys. I didn't mean to upset the knife cart. So I'll just not show or mention the different sheaths!

Yeah, riiiiiight!:D


Codger the devil with the details
 
Codger (El Rey del Vinyl),

My oh my, you are certainly full of sheaths today. :D

TTYL.

Your friend Bill.
 
You've been talking to my ex-wife again. I miss her. But my aim is improving.

Codger
 
Bada Bing...Bada Boom...

I guess you guys are here for the comedy club tryout. I hear it's FIXED. :D

Bill
 
Wow weve really digressed. From socks to ping pong now to ex's..
Somehow they are all related. If only they knew.
Sheaths? What sheaths? I didnt see any.
TTYL
lrv
 
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