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154 Cm

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is this blade steel the best there is? i was just wondering if someone could tell me more about this steel. my spyderco has the h-1 steel (i have the Salt I) and i like that blade steel alot, but i was wondering about the 154 cm.. whats up with it? durable? reliable? rust proof? etc... educate me on this steel fellas.


thanks



mesh
 
Yes, you can't say, "What's the best steel?" That's like saying, "How long is a piece of string?" Different steels have dfferent strengths. If you're only talking about edge retention, 154 CM is a good steel. If you use your knife as a tool and pry things apart with it, a tougher, somewhat softer, steel might be in order.
 
That is an EXCELLENT write up that out very own Joe Talmadge wrote!!
 
I have had only one knife with 154cm. It was an emerson cq7 (I think that was the correct model.) I liked the steel and it held an edge pretty good. But as the guys above mentioned ; you need to give us a better idea of what you are going to be cutting with your knife? Will the knife be exposed to water or other corrosive liquids? There are many good quality steels on the market today. Some people swear by one or the other. I like many of the high quality steels. Maybe like comparing a Ford and a Toyota. If you are going to use this knife for everyday use. cutting: rope, plastic wrapping envelopes , whatever; I bet it will fit your needs. What brand of knife are you looking at? Fixed blade or folder? Good luck with your knife hunt.
Jay
 
I've used folders with 154CM blades (BM Ares and Griptilian) and I really like it. Good edge holding, pretty good rust resistance.

I don't know how tough it is or how well it works in big blades, though.
 
meshmdz said:
i was just wondering if someone could tell me more about this steel. my spyderco has the h-1 steel (i have the Salt I) and i like that blade steel alot, but i was wondering about the 154 cm.

154CM :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/blade_materials.html#S_154CM

H1 :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/blade_materials.html#S_H1

These are pretty different steels in terms of behavior in knives. While both of them are stainless, in most other respects they are significantly different. There is also CPM-154CM which is a powder version of 154CM which is also the same thing as RWL34.

-Cliff
 
That is a good link Cliff Stamp. Lots of good, and useful I might add, information in one convenient location. If you put that site together then you deserve a pat on the back.
 
Yes, it is a work in progress. I am currently overhauling the stainless section. I have a bunch of materials data that I need to upload, mainly impact data for various tool steels.

-Cliff
 
It would be interesting to know how much progress has been made in steels and heat treatments over the last few decades. Some of the ancients used not only iron and bronze for weaponry, but put edges on wood. Many knives today are fine for defense, cutting boxes, cords and so forth, but they're not good for carving figures out of wood or doing intricate work that a hobbiest might enjoy. Some knives are made for hunting, some for throwing; and some knives can do prying and hacking.

Softer steels may be better where corrosion is a problem or if the blade needs to be tough and not something that can fracture if hit sharply. (Then, not only steels, but the grind and geometry of the blades come into consideration.)

I don't know how long stainless steels have been viable material for blades, but I remember a lot of really bad stuff decades ago. (A friend had a hardware store and I used to look through his knives occasionally. His Case knives seemed to be about the best.) In my younger years I had both a Boy Scout knife and a Barlow folder. The Boy Scout knife rusted quickly despite my wiping it down with an oily rag. I don't know what they're making Boy Scout knives out of today, but I've wondered.
 
i was just wondering about this steel... and wanting to know if you guys had any experience with it... thanks for the comments.
 
Oh, it's a very decent steel. I have some blades made from it and edge retention is excellent. I've never thrown any of my knives at trees on had someone whack the spine of one of my blades sharply, but it's an excellent stainless steel. I wish it was more commonly used.
 
meshmdz said:
i was just wondering about this steel... and wanting to know if you guys had any experience with it... thanks for the comments.

This forum is a great resource and community, and I've learned quite a lot during my time here. I'm confident that you'll find it equally valuable and enjoyable.

Just out of curiosity though, what specifically did you hear about 154 CM that led you to ask whether it was "the best there is"?
 
pad, i just saw it on a few Benchmades and other knife brands that were very expensive.. excuse my ignorance but i thought this meant it had to be at least a decent blade steel. thats what provoked me to ask. and i want to thank everyone that has been patient and nice to me while i have been on BladeForum. i love it here and can always count on SOMEONE knowing whatever it is i need to get answered. you guys are great. thanks again.
 
meshmdz said:
pad, i just saw it on a few Benchmades and other knife brands that were very expensive.. excuse my ignorance but i thought this meant it had to be at least a decent blade steel.

That makes good sense, and there's certainly no need to excuse yourself. :)
 
search function isn't always working for me. but 154cm is a good reliable steel for most purposes... medium corrosion resistance, high edge retention for stainless steel, very light prying(it is not a tough steel). If you want tougher general purpose stainless... try Entrek in cryo treated 440c, it doesn't hold an edge like 154cm (ex. 44 cuts vs 38 cuts on 1" hemp...got this number on Wayne Goddard's cutting test.), but it is tougher(can do medium prying).
 
Confederate said:
I don't know what they're making Boy Scout knives out of today, but I've wondered.

Funny you mentioned that in this thread, as I do believe that A.G. Russell uses none other than 154CM for the premium Scout knives he sells. I think the old standby, 1095, or a variation thereof, is still used on most "Scout Knives."

Best wishes,
3G
 
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