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[droppoint1]

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[droppoint1]

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[A17]

@Yankee Josh has a PV that wouldn't beat S Square_peg 's new Council hatchet in terms of quality, but if either wants to give me a reason as for why I'm wrong, I'll retract this. Also, sorry about raggin' on your PV Josh, but it was what came to mind first.

 

[droppoint1]

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[Hickory n steel]

Better is subjective but vintage axes are certainly nicer and much better looking.
Especially compared to those ugly overpriced swedish boutique axes, that's one glass of kool-aid I refuse to drink

 

[droppoint1]

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[ithinkverydeeply]

If we are talking about “best axes ever made” I’ll say it definitely can be too old, it’s gotta be from the golden age of axes wherever you want to put that, like 1840-1940. (Maybe even more narrow 1850-1930) and I may be the source of much consternation but I’m not afraid to posit that it’s gotta be from North America.
I’m not alone in the opinion that the extreme competition between makers, change of poll design, generations of institutional knowledge, and the availability of good steel led to those North American axes from that time period being the best ever made.

 

[Student762]

Nah bruh my obsidian axe will put your Kelly True Tempers in the dirt ithinkverydeeply

 

[Square_peg]

I'd put 60's and 70's Flint Edges with eye ribs up against anything made.

 

[garry3]

Heat treat is more consistent with the newer axes and I am talking in very general terms.


droppoint1 you are liable to go down in flames of glory.

 

[garry3]

Better is subjective but vintage axes are certainly nicer and much better looking.
Especially compared to those ugly overpriced swedish boutique axes, that's one glass of kool-aid I refuse to drink

I love a couple of those GB hatchets. Nice and hard with great balance, a pleasure to use.
My favorites are the older hand made stuff but there it is.

 

[crbnSteeladdict]

Disclaimer.
Just making sure when op gets new supply of Wite-out we will still be able to make some sense what this thread was about . Efforts of other members participating in this conversation shall not be wasted.


Thread started by esteemed member droppoint1
Thread Title: This is the absolute and undisputable truth about axes

Older axe is gooder axe.

See, no one disputes it, that proves it's true

But I have PV axes that I don't want to believe are worse than my Council tools woodcraft pack axe.

if it's called undisputable, doesn't that prove it's true?

Without technical definitions and what aspects are being compared I agree.

A person could scientifically compare certain aspects and prove if one was better in that regard than another.

Like if I had a bad heat treat I might be able to prove that it was better at breaking than another axe.

Maybe so, but it won't be anyone here that does it lol.


Thus sayeth the lord crbnSteeladdict. Though I unintentionally find a point of agreement with thine divine opinion on occasion.


Says the person trolling this thread. He must silence all dissenters, group agreement must be reached, and his validation must be awarded.

Older axe is gooder axe, but newer hipster axe is good also?

I have a wedge pattern axe design that I am working on, that I plan to have Kharkiv forge build with my specs. I am curious to know how it would stack up against the antique ones and other axes on the market.

Should be awesome. I will be sure not to let you know how it turns out.

Just supposed to be a fun thread. But having to fight off some trolls.

I always wondered how it all started.



That makes me want to chop some things in the kitchen with my axe.

Hey, welcome aboard!



Well at least you are fed.

Good to know there are people here who know how to lighten up and have fun.

She is holding up pretty good. Had to go look her up, didn't know who she was.

I am busy winning and laughing, and the haters are busy complaining and scheming,

That doesn't sound like an undisputable truth about axes, but that is good info to know that I can ignore them.

LOL !

Funny thing is no one made them come to this thread to troll, so they are here having fun also even if they are acting uptight. Everyone is welcome, no hard feelings here, bring it on !

mr happy, back again with his positive attitude. Don't drag your feet Ernest, or you'll wear your boots out.

And I didn't even know my sophism from my irony!

That was the Pre-Hipsteric era.





Sir, I beggest the difference. I believe it to be a fundamental purpose of humanity to buildeth and improveth upon things. Therefore comparething them against another hast an important role in that process. With not close comparison may one not recognize where improvement can be made. Therefore the irony of the thread title may not be minimized so simply.

I agree that useful direct comparisons need context.

But what about absolute and undisputable truth about axes since older axe is gooder axe may not pass that test?

I'm your huckleberry.

"Gransfors steel :
''Our steel is a special axe steel. No one can buy it at the market, it has no SS or SIS sign. The nearest you can come to our steel are steel for tools. It is C (0,55%)'' Anna-Karin Pettersson at Gransfors

It does not have a grade number, it is a proprietary steel made for them. Most likely 1144 steel from Uddeholm. It is a plain carbon steel very close to 1055 or EN9, for sure 0.55% Carbon.

Gransfors Bruks gives their heat treatment information, including a quench in cold running water and tempering to a hardness of 57 RC:

After the forging and the first step of sharpening the edge, the blade is hardened by warming it to 1508°F, followed by a quick cooling in cold running water.
Then the axe head is tempered: kept for 60 minutes in an oven that is 383°F.
This relieves the stress in the steel, built up by the forging and tempering processes and gives the bit
the desired hardness and toughness. The hardness of the bit is measured at 57 Rockwell C.

This info was gathered from various threads here.

I would own a GB if I could inspect it first, and had that to drop on one. I suppose my council tools WPA I have could be considered a GB wannabe in some ways.

You mean info I found in forum posts isn't absolute truth?


So concerned about the environment, but then they use everyones favorite poision, boiled linseed oil.

I am fully aware that Swedish steel was blessed by the Norse gods themselves, which bestowed magical properties to the steel.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I still like the idea of magical properties to the steel though.


I like what they are doing also. Don't care who buys or uses them. Funny to joke about the trendy and hipster aspect, and GB being a focus of that. Glad GB was able to hang in there and be in a position to keep going when interest in axes really picked up. I think it helped motivate Council to step up their products also.

The absolute and undeniable fact about axes is that they are made of matter.

Public service announcement.

What happens if you disagree with crbnSteeladdict and Ernest DuBois and call them out for trolling and trying to silence people. They will troll and try to silence you.

If you want to participate in this forum take note: always agree with them, do what they tell you, remember that they know all and are superior to you, and never point it out when they gang up and try to silence people.

crbnSteeladdict I see your troll post recording all of my posts.
I called crbnSteeladdict out on trolling people that doesn't agree with him and his nonsense, so this is what he does.

Seems that the consensus here is that I am not welcome to participate since I won’t kowtow.
That is fine. You can all agree with each other about everything in the pursuit of consensus and I am sure that everyone here will approve immediately and congratulate each other on how great they are.

If I post they complain, and when I delete my posts they complain. Since crbnSteeladdict is recording all of my posts and he doesn’t want me posting anyway, there is no point in leaving my posts up or participating.


For the record, I deleted all of my posts and pictures before and let my gold membership expire and didn't renew it, when it became clear that most of the people here aren't interested in reasoning and facts, and that it was about consensus, and validation.

Basically what happened is that a consensus of people wanted to believe that there are no counterfeit Collins axes, and didn't want to acknowledge or consider the Collins lawsuit evidence that showed otherwise. So they chose to conclude in willful ignorance, and gang up on and silence any dissenting voices.

They got bored and lost interest in that thread as soon as there was no one openly disagreeing with them and they thought they had received their validation and consensus. Then they bad mouthed me for being a troll and I was just trying to get them to consider the evidence. They need to look in the mirror.

Uniformity of opinions is the knowledge of how to agree with everyone else.

The irony.

Nope, not baiting me in with that nonsense.

 

[Ernest DuBois]

But he has successfully drawn in many by strategically dangling his shinny object .

 

[garry3]

But he has successfully drawn in many by strategically dangling his shinny object .

I went in willingly know full well what it was all about. It may provide me with some entertainment but I really could be spending my time more wisely.

 

[droppoint1]

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[FortyTwoBlades]

Older axe is gooder axe.

 

[Student762]

Before I participate any further, is this actually the joke thread that I thought it was or is someone trying to form an obtuse and petty argument about something?

 

[garry3]

Older axe is gooder axe, but newer hipster axe is good also?

Depends what I am using them for and my GB's predate hipsters.
Hipster with a GB about ten years ago....


Pretty sure the GB was the superior choice to slice my limes.