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I didn't mean to start a whole big thing, or offend anyone who likes these axes.
I'm sure they're a fine quality tool and a lot of work goes into them, but I suppose it all just boils down to me thinking their ugly.
The old heads look just fine, but the GB and SAW axes today don't to me.
 
Likewise,man,i don't mean any of this personally,but just wanted to set the record straight;there's room in this world for All different tastes in axes...:)

GB,however ugly their product may be:),has done and keeps on doing lots of wonderful things...They have a museum of old axes that is super hands-on...
They've had a long and fruitful association with Lars Enander,one of the best axe-smiths living...Who taught there(for all i know still does);innumerable classes have graduated gott only knows how many students that will in their turn go on to disseminate axe-knowledge...
And all of that done as a private enterprise,supported by their own product,output...
Now that's all quite something,in my book...(now how cool would that be if one of old Maine axe-shops would do something similar?Just think of how many would benefit...).
So,as they say,"ugly is as ugly does":)

P.S.
AND they employ people...How dearly i,personally,would give to have a job making axes...i may be too old now,but at some point in the past it could've changed my life...:(
 
Fmont said:
To me the real boutique axes are the ones that are just different stamps and have "hand painted in New York City" hafts. Am I allowed to call out Best Made Co. for being nothing but a branding ruse?

I do think it costs more to make a living wage and a globally distributed, quality product than many people realize. And bottom line, people are paying the prices. If I were a painter, or singer, or accountant, or lawyer, etc., I'd have to be crazy to not take more money if my services became known as desirable and demanded more! So we have Kylie Jenner as a billionaire. And suddenly a new hand forged ax that costs a couple hundred seems to make more sense. It's not the craziest thing going on these days. And it highlights that even quite expensive vintage USA axes are still a deal.
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The vintage stuff really is a great deal and nobody has turned the clock back and reproduced them. I don't know for how long them great deals can continue though.
I do find it odd that the knife guys think nothing of spending a couple hundred but when it comes to axes that's out of line. I have no room to talk as I am one of those guys and am spoiled with dirt cheap vintage steel. These are probably the good old days when we look back on it.
 
jake pogg said:
ut really,gentlemen,if you think a couple hundred bucks for an axe is astronomical,i'd love to invite any and all of you to my forge...
Hickory n Steel,i think maybe you do construction work for a living?Well,divide $200 into your hourly wage,and put your hand to forging an axe from scratch...I guarantee you that when you reach than number of hours your forging will still be Very far from anything even Remotely recognizable as an axe-head!:)...
Darn it,too bad i live so far away...we really Could do this...
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This is soooo spot on. The value of craftsmanship is mostly unknown today. This is why I only perform crafts for my immediate family and myself anymore. There's no point in giving craftsmanship to people who don't appreciate it.
 
oh boy i should have payed more attention to this place recently you guys have been busy

also jake im not sure how much of it actually goes to forging time because it takes them 3-4 heats max to make the full head as far as i remember.
But yes, it's more involved than drop forging and we already pay 100 bucks for a drop forged council tool
 
Hickory n steel said:
I didn't mean to start a whole big thing, or offend anyone who likes these axes.
I'm sure they're a fine quality tool and a lot of work goes into them, but I suppose it all just boils down to me thinking their ugly.
The old heads look just fine, but the GB and SAW axes today don't to me.
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It comes down to 'what does it cost to make a high quality axe today' and 'who is willing to pay the price'.

GB makes axes for those willing to pay the price to make a fine axe today. That means sportsman and wannabe sportsman who won't use the axe hard and are willing to spend $300 on a good knife and $175 on a nice bushcraft axe.

Real foresters don't have much need for an axe and are unwilliing to pay a day's wages for a good one. Look at what a top quality Council FSS pulaski sells for. I bet no one here has purchased one.

http://counciltool.com/shop/municipal-firefighting-tools/3-75-pulaski-axe-fss-version/

About the same cost as a GB axe.
 
Square_peg said:
It comes down to 'what does it cost to make a high quality axe today' and 'who is willing to pay the price'.

GB makes axes for those willing to pay the price to make a fine axe today. That means sportsman and wannabe sportsman who won't use the axe hard and are willing to spend $300 on a good knife and $175 on a nice bushcraft axe.

Real foresters don't have much need for an axe and are unwilliing to pay a day's wages for a good one. Look at what a top quality Council FSS pulaski sells for. I bet no one here has purchased one.

http://counciltool.com/shop/municipal-firefighting-tools/3-75-pulaski-axe-fss-version/

About the same cost as a GB axe.
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You always know how to sum things up don't you ;)

They're making high quality tools that mostly sell to sportsman and bushcrafters which there's nothing wrong with at all.
They're certainly better than best made who rebrands and fancies up a CT axe.

I suppose it says something when the only real complaint I have is the looks.
 
droppoint1 said:
Public service announcement.

What happens if you disagree with crbnSteeladdict and Ernest DuBois and call them out for trolling and trying to silence people. They will troll and try to silence you.

If you want to participate in this forum take note: always agree with them, do what they tell you, remember that they know all and are superior to you, and never point it out when they gang up and try to silence people.

crbnSteeladdict I see your troll post recording all of my posts.
I called crbnSteeladdict out on trolling people that doesn't agree with him and his nonsense, so this is what he does.

Seems that the consensus here is that I am not welcome to participate since I won’t kowtow.
That is fine. You can all agree with each other about everything in the pursuit of consensus and I am sure that everyone here will approve immediately and congratulate each other on how great they are.

If I post they complain, and when I delete my posts they complain. Since crbnSteeladdict is recording all of my posts and he doesn’t want me posting anyway, there is no point in leaving my posts up or participating.


For the record, I deleted all of my posts and pictures before and let my gold membership expire and didn't renew it, when it became clear that most of the people here aren't interested in reasoning and facts, and that it was about consensus, and validation.

Basically what happened is that a consensus of people wanted to believe that there are no counterfeit Collins axes, and didn't want to acknowledge or consider the Collins lawsuit evidence that showed otherwise. So they chose to conclude in willful ignorance, and gang up on and silence any dissenting voices.

They got bored and lost interest in that thread as soon as there was no one openly disagreeing with them and they thought they had received their validation and consensus. Then they bad mouthed me for being a troll and I was just trying to get them to consider the evidence. They need to look in the mirror.

Uniformity of opinions is the knowledge of how to agree with everyone else.
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As predicted: Op got new supply of Wite-out. If you have trouble following this thread that link might help https://bladeforums.com/threads/thi...table-truth-about-axes.1688392/#post-19304796
 
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FortyTwoBlades said:
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I can clearly see that this is not a "Mark 1" axe (a heavy rock with a sharp edge) as it clearly has the critical addition of a "haft", making it a "Mark-II" I can also see it is atleast a "B" model as the haft is wood, not an animal thigh bone, but I'm curious about the lashing cordage, Animal (sinew or leather(raw or tanned hide) or Vegetable fiber? then back to the haft, is it green wood (springy) or seasoned (stiff)?

this is mostly tongue in cheek to control mirth while typing! As there is an amazing variation and hidden sophistication/complexity in simple "primitive" tools, that many fail to consider
 
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I can clearly see that this is not a "Mark 1" axe (a heavy rock with a sharp edge) as it clearly has the critical addition of a "haft" I can also see it is atleast a "B" model as the haft is wood, not an animal thigh bone, but I'm curious about the lashing cordage, Animal (sinew or leather(raw or tanned hide) or Vegetable fiber? then back to the haft, is it green wood (springy) or seasoned (stiff)?

this is mostly tongue in cheek to control mirth while typing! As there is an amazing variation and hidden sophistication/complexity in simple "primitive" tools, that many fail to consider
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Neither rawhide or sinew. Surely a poor facsimile for the tourist trade or to decorate the walls of a rich city slickers mountain cabin.
 
We are currently up to Steel, having progressed from Stone Hammers (rounded rocks) to Stone axes (Sharp rocks) to Bronze (copper alloys) to Iron of increasing quality, then through incrementally increasing quality, and along the eons we have adapted various haft materials, from bone to wood (green,
age cured and fire cured) to various synthetics, from plastics then to plastics reinforced with various fibers.

I'm you stop and consider the Amazing variation, in just a simple tool, like a hammer.

then spend a bit more time thinking about knives, I'm reasonably sure the first knife was NOT made from stone, but, was "found" in the broken bone of some antelope. and some crafty Australopithicus cut himself on a broken antelope bone and had a "moment of Genius" that in turn led to others an antelope bone broken diagonally then sharpened against a flat rock makes a rather nice dagger and is not as breakable as Obsidian, Flint or Jasper, though not as sharp, so while quite "Stabby" isn't that good for cutting.

I'm just suggest thinking about the long technological evolution that led to that Ceramic knife with carbon fiber handle you may have in your pocket...

Meanwhile I'm going into the kitchen to chop onions for dinner with my Bamboo handled Ceramic bladed chef's knife!

My point in all this is we tend to think of a piece of knapped Chert/Flint/Obsidian lashed to a chunk of bone or antler as a "primitive knife" compared to the G10 handled, S35VN folder from Spiderco that is in your pocket, but if you actually study that flint & antler Knife it is actually far more complex and sophisticated than a casual glance would reveal. But the very last thing I'll personally tolerate is someone calling such tools "crude"
 
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