18" And 28 Ounces

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That's the mean, I think, for a working khuk. That's not to say 16.5" and 28 won't do it, or 17" and 27 oz, or 19" and 29oz You get the idea. Somewhere between the average size of the user, and I'm 5" 11" 176 pounds, and the tool, you have a sweet spot. How sweet it is depends upon the use of the khuk also; if you want a felling khuk, you don't worry about carrying weight as the logging truck will hold another 4 pounds or so just fine. And if you do not require serious wood reduction, but lighter work, a smaller, more hikable khuk is certainly called for. And there is always the wide variety of tools/weapons desired by martial artists.

But a 18" khuk will not bind your leg walking, and the length is a real blessing with chopping chores. Yet this 'mean' khuk will also provide defense. 28 oz can be carried fairly comfortably. You may have to get used to it: I know I do when I haven't gone out much. Even a few more ounces in my experience adds to the subjective experience of packing cost and many more ounces after 28 do not noticiably improve chopping unless you make a modest gain in weight; say once you arrive at 36 ounces or so. No, I'm not saying a 18" 28 oz WWll khuk will outchop a 18" 32oz AK khuk; but the difference will not be world shattering in most cases. We are getting to where the Great, IT DEPENDS is in order.

Because a lot depends upon how the kami made the paticular khuk. Every HI khuk is a little different. Some spines are thicker, in different places, and weight distribution determines how a khuk will hold, swing and chop to a large extent. This is where we run into Edge Profile, because the design of the particular khuk must match the edge profile. HI Kamis do this very well.
If a specific khuk has a broad forward blade, with much weight, like a AK, and a thin saber type edge grind, and is 18" or longer, I think it will tend to stick in the wood. If it were only 15" or so, it would get away with the slender edge and in fact do well.

Tang design also influences chopping, because there is more weight in the handle with the chiruwa style than the tradtional. Likewise, fullers influence how the tool is going to perform.

So when I or anyone comes up with a magic formula of 18" and 28" ; it aint magic, and it might not even be the right choice depending upon the job the individual wants done.

I am fascinated by this topic. I'm just a guy, like my Doppleganger friend on the Eastern Seaboard, Hollow, who has chopped some fair amount of wood with various khuks. I do it every season for heat. Your experiences may differ.

The true holy grail for a 18" WWll may actually be 27 ounces. How do you like those apples? (perhaps the AK should be 28)

I wonder if anyone could tell the difference in chopping???


munk
 
as many khuks pass through my hands as most of the guys here but I'm inclined to agree with the 18"/28oz. observation. Those numbers fit my Kumar WWII to a tee. If it were any lighter I think it would give up some chopping ability, if it were any heavier it would give up some weapon ability. As always, Uncle was right, it is the all around, do anything khuk. YMMV

Frank
 
I too have an 18" 28oz Kumar WWII that is a joy to pack and use. It gets a lot of rough jobs that other tools would shy away from. However, my Kumar chiruwa YCS will out cut it by a pretty wide margin. It is 3 or 4 oz heavier and 1/2" longer. This has a lot more to do with the belly of the blade i think instead of the weight. However, the whole YCS package is a tad bulky and heavy to lug around for my needs. If i find the time this weekend, i might make a flat leather sheath for the YCS alone. Then i'll weigh the YCS in said sheath compared to my WWII in its scabbard. I bet they come out pretty close. Heck, maybe i should just get a brand new WWII with traditional bolster, little cho creep, and make it a leather sheath. There I go again, enabling myself.;)

Jake
 
It has been said that your first love is never forgotten ( it was eighth grade and her name was Kristin......) Anyway, the first HI khuk I bought was an m43 that is 17.5" and 31 oz.

I have over a dozen other khuks now and that m43 is still my favorite goto, get dirty outdoor tool. It may be a little on the heavy side for that magic formula, but it's what I used to learn what a khuk is all about.

john k
 
John, I think my Baby Ganga Ram is about the same specs and I never looked back taking her hiking. I've lots that are 29 ounces, 30, etc etc.
I take the two smaller tools out of the sheath and leave them at home when on a day hike.



munk
 
I don't like HI khukuris in the 18" range myself. Ergonomically they just don't work with me. I can't swing them like a machete without doing serious damage to my arm. They are good for chopping but normally the handles are oversize too which makes them even worse. My YCS is an abomination. I have only used it ONCE just to test it. However the 17" ers from HI that are a bit lighter I like.

On the other hand my GK 16" that is like 26 or 28 oz is perfect. I also have a 19" 2 pound GK khuk that is near perfect. Like Munk said the overall shape and who made them is the difference. The GK shape and handle are way better for me:thumbup:

With HI it is like the bigger the khuk the bigger the handle. Bura is a little better on this than the others but anymore I try to buy mainly wood handle villagers so I can slim the handle down. I have an 18" 28oz Ganga Ram Villager that was awful. It cut great but you could only use it for like 15 minutes before you had to take a break.:thumbdn: However I put a new handle on it and it's great now!:thumbup:
 
Yes hollowD I agree with you in regards of the big handles....

I own a 18 inch 25 oz which I call ' flying Malla ' until I have time to slim down the handle a bit. :o
 
Astrodada said:
Yes hollowD I agree with you in regards of the big handles....

I own a 18 inch 25 oz which I call ' flying Malla ' until I have time to slim down the handle a bit. :o


HI has done a lot on making some really neat khuks and responding to customer suggestions lately. The horn isn't cracking anymore. I have only had ONE khukuri that was improperly tempered in the past YEAR!:thumbup: and the Foxy Folly I recently got may be the all time best tempered khuk I have ever got from HI.

The next frontier is the handle thing. I think it will be cool if they could introduce some new handles or slimmed down version.

A while back I think there was a WW2 with a Chitlangi handle. I'd love to see some stuff like that. Maybe a GRS with a Chitlangi handle.
 
I love my 15 inch Bura horn handle since I'd sand it down slightly and have a sand blasted finish.

And I'd think the old style more curvy handle shall feel really comfortable. :)
 
~17.5 inches and 28 oz.

or 18 inches and 29 oz.


Would make it truly magical...or at least, golden.


1 : 1.618




;)
 
My 18", 28 oz villager AK fits the "great mean" mold perfectly. It actually weighs 27 oz since I removed the riing and slimmed down the grip, but since the weight was removed from the handle is does not seem to diminish chopping power. The 18" length is a surprizingly noticible step up from a 17 incher. The extra leverage speaks to you. Yet, if you go any higher, say to a 20 incher like one of my KH models, you are in a totally different regime. I have no 19" model on which to base a comparison, but that would be an interesting variation to consider.
 
Way older than Di Vinci. Thanks for bringing that up Dan.
 
For me it's the 16-17" and 24-27 oz, and I prefer the longer handles (but not the thicker ones).

For longer hikes I think there is no better tool than the 15-16" 18-22 oz BAS, BGRS or AK (in this order).

For handle ergonomics, I prefer hidden thang wooden handles, longer 5" or slightly larger, slightly curving, no too thick, oval in cross section and with wide butt flares. I tried and did not like the chiruwa handles.
For blade shape, I prefer the ones which are not too bent or forward leaning.
 
littleknife said:
For me it's the 16-17" and 24-27 oz, and I prefer the longer handles (but not the thicker ones).

For blade shape, I prefer the ones which are not too bent or forward leaning.

That's pretty much me too. But I'm hiking and clearing brush not cutting firewood. 28oz plus starts my belt to sagging too much.
 
How about grind ? Does a shallower more penetrating convex profile contributes to chopping power without adding weight but still retains edge strength ?
 
hollowdweller said:
I don't like HI khukuris in the 18" range myself. Ergonomically they just don't work with me. I can't swing them like a machete without doing serious damage to my arm. They are good for chopping but normally the handles are oversize too which makes them even worse. My YCS is an abomination. I have only used it ONCE just to test it. However the 17" ers from HI that are a bit lighter I like.

specs on the YCS you hate? $20? email sent! ;)

bladite

[giving unloved blades a home since 1980, cute animals too ;>]
 
Astrodada said:
How about grind ? Does a shallower more penetrating convex profile contributes to chopping power without adding weight but still retains edge strength ?

Yes IMO.

I dislike Sher and Amtrak edges. Buras have bent the most on me but have more penetration. I don't think the thin ness of the Bura edge is what causes them to bend just not as well tempered, cause I have had very thin Buras that were fine. Kumar is kind of in the middle.
 
Let's remember that Hollow cuts with the death of a thousand steps; he has said in the past he prefers smaller and quicker cuts to larger and more powerful ones.

If you thin an edge too much, considering the length and weight of the tool, then it will stick in wood. Shorter khuks do well with thinner profile edges.

About handles; I have average hands. I like the HI handles the way they are. You can take material off a handle that is too big, but fixing a small circumfrance handle is harder. HI made the handles bigger to fit the international market. I think they'd done about as well as you can, considering the different hand sizes of people.

I like Sher edges just fine. And Kumar. But one reason HI presented the individual craftsfman was so you could better make your own choice. Those signatures- in whatever form they've taken over the years, have helped both with accountability and customer satisfaction.

I must be warped; I like all of them.

munk
 
munk said:
Let's remember that Hollow cuts with the death of a thousand steps; he has said in the past he prefers smaller and quicker cuts to larger and more powerful ones.

I like Sher edges just fine. And Kumar. munk

Munk,

You raise a good point about cutting technique on large objects:thumbup:

After watching a lot of people chop at the MWKK I couldn't really discern that I was chopping with any less depth than they were. Now on a single chop some were chopping more but on cutting large stuff after they tired out from giving it all they could we seemed basically equal.

Here 's a good pic showing something I cut that gives the depth pretty well. This was with a 17" 23 oz. Could you go out and chop something or take a pic of some of the firewood you have already chopped and email them to me so we can do a comparison? Or anyone else? To my rememberance I don't ever recall seeing anybody post any pics besides me of anything over about 6" that they had chopped.

Here it is if you can send it to me today I'll size it down and we can compare

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