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184 Buckmaster

Not to be a party pooper... but I think the general knife buying public has had it with those hollow handled, PX-commando jobs. Some knives deserve to die, so let's just leave it to rest in peace.
 
Hi Textoothpck,
I can't agree with you on that.First let me say I'm just posting my comment's,I don't want or intend to start an argument.
I sell knives for a living and I get a lot of people that would like a high quality hollow handle with a price in the $200-$275- range.When I get Buckmaster's in they always sell right away and always get a few hey do you still have that Buckmaster? So I think it would be a good seller for Buck.Just update it as other's have been posting.Definately make a bit lighter and no sawteeth (put about 3" or 4" of serrations in the saw's former place on blade).I know some of the 184's get used and other's just collect or put in a survival type kit.I do agree some of the hollow handle knives where overkill or plain junk.The 184 was and is a nice knife.Not really my type of blade to carry but I do like them.
I more comment a great group here with lots of info.
Take care,
Pete
 
No, Pete, I don't wanna start an argument. I just saw a similar post to this in the General forums, so I probably should have posted my comments there.

But a question was asked, and I answered. And I really do like Buck knives and have great affection for this fine American company. In the past two weeks, I've bought an elk horn dagger for myself and a 110 folder as a gift for a friend. One of my favorite knives is one that I bought for the sole purpose of having Chuck Buck sign. I'd say that is support from a dedicated customer.

Perhaps I am wrong; maybe there would be a market for a 'bring back 184'. But I don't think enough of a market for Buck to recoup the massive expense of gearing up to produce it. Just an opinion from a knife buyer/user.

Phil
 
I get a lot of people that would like a high quality hollow handle with a price in the $200-$275- range.

I would think that any reintroduction would have to be markely better than the original, or far less than $200 - $250. That's CRK prices. why someone would buy an original Buckmaster when they could get a CRK is puzzling, unless they're buying on looks.
 
I agree with featherstone if you want a good hollow handle knife, get one of those one piece from Chris Reeves. No trying to be an a$$ but I think buck has a few good fixed blades out there, and that buckmaster is not onne of them...what are those spikes for anyway????
 
The Buckmaster was a model designed and marketed due to the popularity of the design at that time. Now if Buck did go to the expense of a stainless steel one-piece (CR fashion),they would have great appeal in today's market I would imagine, I don't know why CR hasn't done that yet (S30V YES!)
 
Part of the appeal of the buckmaster was the looks. We, as a whole, are a better educated customer base than your typical knife buyer - we expect a lot more out of a knife.

I agree with the comments that if Buck does reintroduce it, they should make it out of better materials and with better construction than the previous models. That being said, even if they don't, it will still sell like hotcakes because like the previous poster, we also still get calls asking for it.
 
I would rather that Buck reintroduce the Interpid series. As for the buckmaster to me anyway is heavy and if it can perform many task that is ok. To me is big and heavy it does not chop well and does not cut well as well. I agree the the design will apeal to the least educated customer. I am ok with good looking knive but atleast make them functional as well. I handle the buckmaster before my friend had one. Will have to say that the Aitor of Spain models (Jungle king 1&2 and Commando) out perform the Buckmaster. Speaking from 1st hand experience here. The Aitor models are lighter, cuts and chops better, the saw on the works very well as for as saw back can be. As for the saw back of the buckmaster none of the people from my scout in my highschool can use them. And they are alot more survival stuff in the Aitors knives anyway. One more thing the Aitors knives are also cheaper. Lastly i know that many people here are againts the two piece hollow handle type knives. Given a choice i will not buy them again will prefer a full tang. But when i bought the Aitor Commando i was not yet that well inform and buy knives by the cool factor. That being said i will have to say the Aitor knives are very good knives and still think they are now. If you have to have a hollow handle two piece knive i will strongly suggest Aitor of Spain.
 
Macbeth said:
To me is big and heavy it does not chop well and does not cut well as well...

...Will have to say that the Aitor of Spain models (Jungle king 1&2 and Commando) out perform the Buckmaster. Speaking from 1st hand experience here. The Aitor models are lighter, cuts and chops better, the saw on the works very well as for as saw back can be. As for the saw back of the buckmaster none of the people from my scout in my highschool can use them.

I owned a Buckmaster and an Aitor Jungle King II in the mid 1980s. I read about the Buckmaster in SOF and the Aitor JKII was reviewed in an old issue of SWAT magazine, long, long time ago. :)

My experience is the same as yours. The Buckmaster, for all of its weight/heft, simply did not chop well and even though it appeared to be razor sharp, cutting anything seemed to be such a hard task.

Likewise, the saw was totally inferior to the saw on the JKII. You could perform rough notching with the Buckmaster, that's about it. I don't know about aluminum aircraft skin and how it would perform with that, etc.

It soon fell by the wayside and I just carried the Aitor JKII all the time and I never had a failure with it either.

...And they are alot more survival stuff in the Aitors knives anyway.

Well, the only thing that came with my Buckmaster was the Silva compass which was a very simple one, solid piece of gear. The two "anchors" went in the larger pouch at the bottom of the sheath and the compass in the top, IIRC.

The "anchors," I would love to have it confirmed that this knife was really intended as a grappling/grapnel hook. Russian Roulette ranks higher as an interesting activity when you consider that you would be throwing this big, heavy assed knife up in the air on a rope. This has all the appearances of a Darwin Award Winning episode in knife usage.

The Aitors did have a nice bit of kit and it was very well thought out. The slingshot was a good way to go to the Dentist if you were not extremely careful.

Most people don't like hollow handle knives and consider all of it a bunch of garbage. I like the way Leroy Thompson considered survival kits, your tertiary kit was in your knife. It was never intended to be primary.
 
Big negative of the Buckmaster for many people seems to be the hollow handle. Lots of so called 'Survival Knives" like my Shrade Exteme BT01 and Imperial M-7S have sheaths with a couple of storage pouches built in. U get the storage space, but you also get a solid knife (more so in the former knife than in the latter, which is a tarted up M7 bayonet).
 
Big negative of the Buckmaster for many people seems to be the hollow handle.

There is a great deal of misinformation out there regarding hollow handles. A well engineered hollow handled knife is no more fragile then any other knife.

n2s
 
Thomas Linton,

Sorry about that. The system ate the rest of my post.

n2s
 
buck has a few good fixed blades out there, and that buckmaster is not onne of them

Some of you are being way too hard on the Buckmaster. I have owned and used a number of them, along with alot of other knives and I can tell you that the 184 is a solid using knife. It has its idosyncraisies, but it should not be written off as a wall hanger.

On the positive side, the Buckmaster is a massively built knife. It has a 5/16 inch thick 7-1/2 inch blade with a very elegant bowie fighter shape. While the large sawteeth were virtually useless, the smaller serrations along the clip point worked well. The 425M steel blade was hollow ground and certainly capable of taking a good edge. Just a few swipes on a ceramic stick were usually all that was needed.

There was also little to worry about at the blade and handle joint. The handle was machined stainless steel cylinder over 1/8 of an inch thick, and the mechanical lockup was very solid. There were some heat treat issues with the first few hundreds knives, but the issue was corrected well before the Pat Pend versions went on the market.

It also had a real hammer pommel. The stainless butt cap on the pat pending was nearly 1/2 inch thick and nicely threaded in place. This was much stronger then the Brass and aluminum caps found on many well known survival knives.

But, the design was not without its' problems. The best known issue involved those goofy anchor attachments that screwed into the handle. Their purpose was never clearly explained; it was possible that Buck was as much in the dark as the rest of us, since the design had originally been put together by Phrobis and the US Navy SEALS. Despite the confusion, I suspect that the anchors points were intended to transform the knife into an anchor. You would simply attach the points, tie a length of 550 cord to the lanyard, detach the knife and sheath, and jam the entire rig into the rocks to anchor either a swimmer, or a small boat. I wouldn't recommend the grapple thing to anyone who doesn't have a strong deathwish.

Then there were the large poorly design sawteeth that tended to snag on just about anything that was being cut. If the knife had poor cutting performance it was probably due more to the clumsy sawback then to anything inherently wrong with 425M steel, or the edge geometry.

The chopping performance was also hindered by the shape of the blade. The elegantly clip point was a mistake. Why would I need a fighting point on what was otherwise a very heavy survival tool? The clip only served to make the blade more fragile, while removing weight from were it was most needed in a survival role.

My own pet peeve was over the sheath suspencion system. The harness was neither able to keep the sheath upright, nor keep it from bouncing around as you walked. There was nothing like 2-1/2 pounds of sloppy weight to constantly remind you of how heavy this thing was. Then again, it did introduce many of us to the concept of plastic sheaths. Until the Buckmaster came along the only choices offered in sporting knives were traditional leather, or something like nylon cordura; and those sheath pockets were a good idea. Fortunately, you could always improve things by replacing the sheath with the system developed for the M9 bayonet.

If Buck were to do the knife over again I would suggest that they remove or reduce the clip point; eliminate or redesign the worthless sawback; and either go with the M9 style sheath or something better.

n2s
 
not2sharp said:
Some of you are being way too hard on the Buckmaster. I have owned and used a number of them, along with alot of other knives and I can tell you that the 184 is a solid using knife. It has its idosyncraisies, but it should not be written off as a wall hanger.

But, the design was not without its' problems.

The best known issue involved those goofy anchor attachments that screwed into the handle. I wouldn't recommend the grapple thing to anyone who doesn't have a strong deathwish.

Then there were the large poorly design sawteeth that tended to snag on just about anything that was being cut.

The chopping performance was also hindered by the shape of the blade.

The elegantly clip point was a mistake.

My own pet peeve was over the sheath suspencion system. The harness was neither able to keep the sheath upright, nor keep it from bouncing around as you walked. There was nothing like 2-1/2 pounds of sloppy weight to constantly remind you of how heavy this thing was.

If Buck were to do the knife over again I would suggest that they remove or reduce the clip point; eliminate or redesign the worthless sawback; and either go with the M9 style sheath or something better.

n2s


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
 
I sure like the idea! It never hurts to ask so I will pose the question to our marketing department. We will see what happens.
Take care,

Resurrecting this one from the dungeons! :D

Joe, what did they have to say? Seems the Buckmaster 184 is as popular now as it ever was. Maybe a small run in the Custom shop is in order if nothing else. :thumbup:
 
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