1st Knife

Yes, the outside-inside shop can work, but I wouldn't recommend it if you had access to a shed. Unless you like being at the mercy of the weather, which I know is much worse in the UK than it is the the Great State of Misery. At my parents' house, I do outside-inside but the outside is pretty well-protected from the weather because of the deck situation, and I pretty much only do it when it is nice and I want to be outside, not because I have to.

Nice-looking knife, if you ask me. Are you going to use rivets or just epoxy?

As for sandpaper, that's up to you. Some ppl only go to 600 or 800 grit sandpaper, others (like me) go all the way to 2000 grit. Most are somewhere in the middle. After 1500 grit, your dremel drill's polishing attachments should be able to make a mirror shine on it.

Silver steel I don't know much about. Here's what I've found:
Silver Steel
More Silver Steel Info
Awesome HT Info

This looks like a lot of fun to play with. The technical name I have found for it is BS 1407, and that'll get Google to pull stuff up for you a lot faster than simply "silver steel."

As for heat bringing something up to temp, there's a lot of ways to do that. On very small blades (<10cm) you can sometimes get it up to temp with a small torch using MAPP Gas type of torch. We recently have discussed this sort of thing, and I'm looking to see if I can find the thread. If not, I'll tell you what I can about the subject.
Forge Stuff
Another Thread about a forge, with pictures
Question about propane forge on IG's website Dan Gray's Website, awesome info
Indian George's Website (ie, more awesome info)

Myself, at this point, I use a very makeshift little forge-type device for heat treating. Previously, I have also used a MAPP Gas torch, for my first small projects.

My little thing cost me about $10 overall (I already had a device to force the air in), and that would include the contents of a can of soup and a 6 pound can of beans. I used a large can of beans and cut open both sides (although after making it I'd suggest just a hole for forced air). I cut the soup can in half and shaped it so it sat in the larger can for the charcoal I use to sit on. Then, I used an old Leatherman knockoff's blade to cut some vents in the smaller can's half, and I angled the metal from the cuts so that any air blown under my little makeshift grate would be forced up into the coals. I got a cheap little metal baking pan (slightly stronger than aluminum or tin foil) and filled it with sand, then I set the other device on it and secured it so it wouldn't roll around. Then, I bought regular charcoal to use. I break it up into smaller pieces so it fits better, and thoroughly cover the grate. I don't set the grate all the way back, so there is a pile of charcoal helping to keep the grate in place and having access to the air I force in.

It is very, very rough but I have successfully heat treated with it. I'm going to build a better, more permanent one soon.

If you have any questions, give me a holler. My email addy is Janar_45th@yahoo.com. If you use an Instant Messenger, I'm on those as well.

Good luck, and I hope that I've been a help.
 
TimBetts said:
...Next up on the list to buy is sandpaper (totally forgot what ones I need when I got to the store:o) I think Im going to get 200,400,800,1000, do I need anymore? Ohhh and one other thing, Ive been searching for backyard heat treatment, but seeing as my PC isnt very good, google sometimes doesnt want to work, can anyone give me a link or anything which explains how to heat-treat at home?
...

You'll need some 60-120 also not only for blades but handle material too. Get a few 2000's too, it makes great difference even if you buff the 2000 scratches is too shallow so after buffing will shine better.

The newbie must read documents&sites this should make you busy a week or more ;) :
http://www.zianet.com/ebear/metal/heattreat0.html
http://www.reil1.net/design1.shtml
http://www.knives.com/heatreat.html
http://fredlyfx.com/index.html
http://metalcast.boorman.us/reil_1.html
http://www.knivesby.com/collaboration.html
http://www.engnath.com./public/manframe.htm
http://www.knivesby.com/knifemaking.html
http://www.northcoastknives.com/northcoast_knives_tutorials.htm
http://www.homestead.com/beknivessite2/guard.html
http://directory.webguest.com/Shopping/Crafts/Metal
http://www.agrussell.com/knife_information/steel_guide/
http://zvis.com/knives/gatorknv.shtml
http://pages.prodigy.net/tlbuck/tsuka/tsuka.htm
http://magichammer.freeservers.com/page12.html
http://www.jloose.com/mokume.html
http://www.knifenetwork.com/workshop/index.shtml

This makes another thread, I think there has to be a sticky thread post for newbies helpful links and info page, when a new guy says "hey I want to make/HT a knife but I dont know how, tell me basics", everybody will be able to point to that thread IMHO...
 
TimBetts said:
..I am making a trip to the store either tonight, or tomorrow. I have see a drill press without the drill for cheap, I was thinking if I could get the dremel to fit into that, would that be OK, it would mean I am getting 2 tools in one for less than half of both items together. I have some steel, a peice of silver steel (extra carbon) I think, thats what my metalwork teacher told me it was anyway. its 5 1/4" long and 3/4" wide, with a thickness of 1mm. Its just the right size for a small fixed blade, and I already have 3 designs I thought up draw onto card templates, now its just a matter of deciding which one to go for...

I use this silver steel some time, it is realy good polishable and is HT properly gets hard real good, also cheapest steel I have. It is bohler's K510. Here is some info...

Best wishes
Emre
 
Thanks again guys, I also think a newbie section would be good, I have seen it on alot of other forums because the experienced members got fed up with someone saying gimme plans/info. I felt abit stupid coming here with no prior knowledge (well no significant knowledge) but Im glad for such a warm welcome :) Well since I post those pics I did a little more work, just smoothed all the edges over so the handle is nice and smooth. Off to the sawmill tomorrow to buy some nice-looking hard wood which I will epoxy, maybe pin if I can get a nice drill press. Im pretty pleased with my knife so far, my dad said it was perfect about 10 times but I could see dips in the blade edge so I went back at it with the grinding disc and emery cloth. Just cutting the thing cost me 3 metal cutting discs for my dremel (1 I broke whilst tightening, 1 did most of the work but got eroded too small and the last one, after doing 3secs touch-up work, decided to blow up, thankgod for eye protection :eek: ) Cant wait to see what it will end up like after I get my bastard file, 2nd file and my finer grit sand paper. I have got a knife sharpening tip for my dremel, I was wondering if that would be good to use after file work, or can I achieve it with sand-paper and an oilstone?
 
Watch out for those breaking discs :eek: .
Like I said earlier, all my previous knives were cut out using a dremel. I didn't use to wear protective eyewear. (I wear prescription glasses, but that's no excuse) I've been lucky, the closest it ever got was to graze my forhead :rolleyes: ...stupid me. The BIGGEST thing is to not twist it....NOT ONE BIT!! It is just for straight cuts. (you probably already know, it comes quick with experience) The other thing is just to let it cut on it's own. Grip it tight, but dont push down much at all. You'll get the feel after a while.

as for the slip...the first one is a little deep, but it just looks like a matter of making the knife a bit smaller...not a biggie. Or you could grind that off, and put a finger guard/bolster on. Might be just a LITTLE too much for a first...I am just now thinking of doing it on my 5th...
I'm glad you went ahead with one of your own design...I really enjoy doing my own, and fixed blades are easy enough to learn by trying. Something about not even doing the grind on the blade is repulsive to me... :footinmou ...anyway.

I'm pretty much a newbie, like you, but you are welcome to E-mail me with questions. I know a few knifemakers here in town I can ask if I don't know.
E-mail: JAGKnives@yahoo.com

Good luck!
~Brian
 
Due to the handle being exceptionally small (it just didnt look right with a larger handle and a short blade) Im thinking of cutting a new, larger handle shape out of sheet brass and squaring off the tang. On the brass handle, I would cut out a rectangle the same size as the tang, and glue these 2 together, then act as normal and make 2 hard wood handle shapes to sandwhich the brass and steel handle. I think it could look nice seeing as brass and dark woods go well, and Ive seen it been don before. I cant think of anyother way of doin this, since it really does need to be done, the handle seemed alot bigger during drawings but perhaps I measured the steel wrong, I can only get 3 fingers on it. Any particular styles that you guys think would go with the tanto style blade? I was thinking just a larger version of the one I already have but any ideas would be welcome, you might think of something I havent (which is likely since you have seen and made alot more knifes than me)
 
Aer you just going to use epoxy, or are you actually going to join the brass to the steel? I've not done it yet, but you might think about getting the brass brazed to the steel.

One of my latest knives is pretty small, and I can only get three fingers on it. But then again, I like the way that it fits into my hand, and I just curl up my pinky finger behind it, too. It works for me.

If you square off the tang and want to make it full tank, you might think of making the shaft more rounded. I've seen several tantos like that. But that's just a suggestion.
 
Well Ive made the bronze handle, its nice, perfect for my small hands. The reason I HAD to make it bigger was because i could get 2 fingers on comftably, 3 if I have to. I might be able to post pics if I can get some website setup. I dunno about getting them brazed together, I suppose I could get my friends dad, I will ask him soon, whilst hes at it he could heat treat it. Right now my knife is just a steel shape, do i need to make the actual edge with a file (or dremel??) and what is a good guide to making the edge? I mean size wise, where do I start on the blade, seeing as the back edge is continually straight and most other knifes arent like this.

EDIT: Heres some pics of the brass handle, and a cardboard mock-up on what I plan to do. the black card is brass.

Brass Handle

Card Mock-up
 
Hey man, you work pretty good and clean for the first.

Take your time and do not rush it up. Your first will be your fuel, if you satisfy with it youll get really sick: "knife making illness". Also that will be your reference point on the long and hard way of "the art" IMHO.
 
Thanks galadduin, Im really looking forward to see how this one turns out, after this Im gonna make a bigger knife (not sure on the stlye, possibly bowie) because this one is abit too small for my liking (after I got my 6" stolen from my house, Ive always wanted a big knife again). Even if this first one doesnt work out, it will only spur me on to make a better one, so Im getting the illness either way :D Should be getting my bastard, rounded and 2nd cut file tomorrow, and all the sandpaper too. (Thats all i need right?)
Should be finished by or on the weekend.

PS: Which instant messengers do you guys use, I use msn and AIM (I tried adding you jaegar and DaDanoska to msn, btw)
 
Tim, my msn is brillian_s@hotmail.com, and my AIM is DaDanoska.

BTW, my away messages are always up. So don't let them stop you from IMing me.

I'm curious, how's the work coming on your knife? I've been mostly offline the last few days and I haven't heard anything from ya.
 
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