20 rnds 0 hits what lames!

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What a shame and waste of ammo with not a single bullet reducing our gang population here in Salinas by 1 or 2...fingers crossed for you guys next time :D

Release Date/Time: 5/6/2005 6:51 PM
Incident: Attempted Murder
Date: Friday, 5/6/2005
Day: Friday
Time: 12:00 AM
Location:

On 5-6-05 at about 2:08 pm, 2 Hispanic males about 20 years old approached two 19 year old Hispanic males working on a car in the driveway of a home in the 700 block of Mimbrea. The 2 suspects both opened fire at the 19 year olds working on the car. At least 20 rounds were fired. Nobody was struck by the gunfire; however, 2 houses and 3 cars were struck. This is considered a gang related shooting.
 
"Gang Related Shooting" is the catch all of our times, replacing "undifferentiated Schizophrenia' as most popular blanket statement.

20 shots zero hits defines the modern semi auto. Maybe it just defines modern man; (and I use the term 'man' loosely) better tools than ever, more incompetant than ever before.



munk
 
Punks don't learn to shoot at the range; they learn gunplay from the TV. Glad the dummys can't shoot straight.

Ice
 
munk said:
"20 shots zero hits defines the modern semi auto. Maybe it just defines modern man; (and I use the term 'man' loosely) better tools than ever, more incompetant than ever before.
munk
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I think that is the explanation right there. Also I think that people have unrealistic expectations based on TV as far as how far away and how accurately one can shoot a pistol.
 
This is a case for...

The Smith and Wesson N-frame.

(Though even older in design than the venerable 1911, the Smith and Wesson N-frame is a reasonably sturdy and accurate handgun chambered in a variety of powerful calibers. It's just the thing for handling bangers that need Rehabilitation through Reincarnation. No, you can't spray bullets like you could with your DC-9, but you can drop the hammer on six rounds of magnum ammo, in a handy package with a silky trigger. And that ain't a bad thing.)

John
 
Not just gang-bangers missing, but LEOs as well. A few years ago, a Madison, WI, cop fired 7? rounds at a bad guy 8 feet away and hit him once in the leg. Adrenalin control--all those stories of firecrackers notwithstanding-- is not taught on the firing range.

Too, like the modern military, weapons training is a matter of minimal qualification, not mastery. Then, there is the legal system looking over every cop's shoulder for excessive force...probably a greater factor in weapon awareness than accuracy is in training.

Then we have the concept of turning the auto-loader sideways to look mean for your target, as if pointing a weapon at him and shooting wasn't enough.

Seems to me that used to be, in Chicago at least, that most police officers were shot by their own weapons, taken from them in a tussle.

rambling.
 
I think the sideways shooting technique was developed by Gangbangers to break the silohette (sic) of the shooter, making it harder to spot who's doing it.

Cops probably fall into three rough groups; those barely qualifying every year, only because they 'have to.'; those qualifying with reasonable interest and attention, and those who are very good at what they do.

Betcha the legal fear gets into all three groups.


munk
 
I've heard that the Mossad developed a shooting stance with a 45 degree angle of holding a semi auto. It is supposed to help manage the recoil and also help with quick reacquisition of the target after firing. something to do with the recoil force and the natural rotation of the arm. I've never tried it but I see how it could work.


course, this has nothing to do with the lame sideways shooting or shooting with eyes closed, whatever it would take to shoot and miss with 20 rounds. somehow I don't think the mossad - gangbanger connection is there!

I think the 'bangers just think it looks "hard".
 
In NYC when the special unit shot that african immigrant for holding up his
wallet. They shot between maybe five men 60 plus times and hit maybe
19 times. Granted it was blast away but that is not very accurate even
for that scenario. Not quite 30% in a densely packed city.
 
Gee, and I always thought that A-Team was UNrealistic because they'd have massive full-auto shootouts where noone would get hit. Turns out that's how it really happens after all?! :barf: :rolleyes:

Another theory about the sideways gun thing I'd heard is that it lets you get a gun with a long magazine, especially a TEC 9, out a car window more easily. I dunno.
 
fixer27 said:
In NYC when the special unit shot that african immigrant for holding up his
wallet. They shot between maybe five men 60 plus times and hit maybe
19 times. Granted it was blast away but that is not very accurate even
for that scenario. Not quite 30% in a densely packed city.
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That must have been a pretty offensive wallet...
 
Training or no training, it's all too easy to lose that front sight under the influence of adrenaline.
 
Just a couple of months ago Boise and Garden City cops cornered a guy they had been after for several days, during the chase he put his vehicle into a canal. 22 rounds later, some of them fired when they apparently couldn’t see exactly where he was, because he was hiding in the weeds he finally came out. The guy they were after was uninjured, but they did hit houses, cars and killed a clothes drier. Now the departments are arguing about who pays for what, Garden City says Boise officers fired 70% of the rounds, so should pay 70% of the damage claims. About a year ago the Boise police chased a man and woman after a robbery to the airport, thru the fence and onto the airport itself. After a shootout, I don’t remember how many rounds fired, the couple was found dead, the male had shot the woman then himself. Again the cops had shot up everything except the bad guys. I know a few of the local police and sheriff deputies, even shot in a pistol league with some of them, I’d really like to think that they get more and better training using firearms than the average gun enthusiast. Some, like the guys I shot with shot a lot and were very good marksmen, some shoot once a year to qualify, I think if my butt was potentially on the line everyday that I went to work, I’d make the time to train.

Todd
 
The story I have heard about "gangsta style" is this:

there is a technique for SWAT members with shields that involves a partial rotation of the handgun. Some movie director saw the hand position, thought it looked cool, and voila. Another case of "art" influencing life.

If I have to take on anyone who's armed with a firearm, let them be swinging it gangsta style, babie!

John
 
I thought the sideways hold thing was invented by Quentin Tarentino, you know, the famous handgun expert :rolleyes:
I tried it once, but couldn't figure out the sight adjustment thing :D Right is up, down is right... or is it the opposite :confused:
I was at the range once when a group of guys showed up to shoot their brand-new Glock. They were blasting away rapid fire - with nary a hole in the target. I observed this silliness a while, and when the most incompetent looking of the group stepped up to shoot, I put a bunch of holes in the black of his target. Figured they'd make him the next designated shooter. Me bad.
 
If you try to shoot while looking through the port of a police shield, you'll see how no regular stance can work- but there's no reason to hold it like this when you're not carrying one.
Good one, Bri!
 
You know, there is a kind of unexpected phenomenon at work when people start shooting. Nobody really wants to get shot and nobody really wants to shoot somebody else.
It took a lot of thought, study and training to get American soldiers to stop shooting up into the air when they saw the enemy.
It may very well be that the two 20 year old kids just didnt really want to kill those 19 yr old kids.
You can say "I hate you and I am going to kill you" but then making your finger and your arm and your eyes all do what they need to do is much harder than it looks (for a normal person)
At least, all this was true BEFORE the advent of realistic combat video games.
 
People do what they are mentally prepared and trained to do.

Hunters tend to pull the trigger on people on the battlefield a lot quicker than the average nonhunting soldier.

John
 
Spectre said:
People do what they are mentally prepared and trained to do.

Hunters tend to pull the trigger on people on the battlefield a lot quicker than the average nonhunting soldier.

John
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I've always wondered about that. Also about staying alive. On the first day of hunting my mind is always noisy. After the second or third day I kind of get into the flow of the woods. Notice stuff way easier, always wondered about whether it would transfer to combat.

I have this buddy that carries a gun all the time. Has the permit and all. But my wife who is a hunter can outshoot him ;)
 
Perhaps they were using two pistols at once?

A sailor checked some personal weapons into the armory on Friday. The paperwork is a minor PITA but it's always interesting to see what people have. This particular individual checked in a pair of what appeared to be brand new Beretta 92's. They were so minty, they might as well have just come out of the boxes.

"Wonder what he's doing with two of them?" we asked after he left. Then we noticed the magazine releases. One was configured for lefties, the other for righties. We didn't ask him - it wasn't any of our business - but if the shoe fits...it was good for a chuckle, anyway.

It's something every shooter tries sooner or later, I suppose, just so they can say that they've tried it - much like one-handing a shotgun or performing a bayonet rush on a derelict refrigerator. (Not that I've tried either, of course.) Still, the is the first I've seen where someone actually purchased two identical pistols. It takes all kinds.
 
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