20 rnds 0 hits what lames!

Satori said:
I suppose, just so they can say that they've tried it - much like one-handing a shotgun or performing a bayonet rush on a derelict refrigerator.

(Not that I've tried either, of course.)
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Hmmmphft!!!! Bwhhahhahahahaha, yea right.:rolleyes: ;)
SadDora, er Satori remember who you're addressing here.
We've seen you in action remember? :D ;) :cool: :rolleyes: :p

Never tried a refrigerator but a M-14 with a bayonet does a helluva job on a wall locker.
Warn't me of course but a rather stocky well built lad in boot.
By stocky and well built I mean he kinda resembled The Hulk except fer the green color.:eek:
 
I can speak with absolute certainty that a 7.62x25 round will puncture a
fridge. And that a 12 gage slug won't penetrate a drywall wall that is maybe
backed by 2x4's and that 7.62x25 rounds won't penetrate either. Actually
you can dig them out with a butter knife. I coould tell you how I know this
but then I would have to subject you to SPAM. :eek:
 
Satori said:
Training or no training, it's all too easy to lose that front sight under the influence of adrenaline.
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As a young man I used to hunt squirrels with a Browning Medalist target .22. I got pretty good with it.

One day I came upon a skunk in my path. I was very close when I first saw him. I had no idea of the "spray range," but at about six feet felt I was very much within it!

I backed slowly and he raised his tail, looking back over his shoulder at me.

I brought up the Browning and opened fire, as I backed up further. I missed several times, maybe five. He looked at me further, evidently realized that I was no threat and casually walked off.

Harrowing experience. But I understand the 'adrenaline' rush.
 
fixer27 said:
I can speak with absolute certainty that a 7.62x25 round will puncture a
fridge. And that a 12 gage slug won't penetrate a drywall wall that is maybe
backed by 2x4's and that 7.62x25 rounds won't penetrate either. Actually
you can dig them out with a butter knife. I coould tell you how I know this
but then I would have to subject you to SPAM. :eek:
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"a 12 gage slug won't penetrate a drywall wall that is maybe backed by 2x4's and that 7.62x25 rounds won't penetrate either."

Does this mean that someone is throwing the slugs at a wall?

Sorry, but I MUST be missing something here. :confused: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
I'd rather count on training than nothing, but I don't think there is a way of knowing how anyone is going to respond to lethal force threat every time.


munk
 
Best pistol shot I personally knew was this guy that used to hunt near us. He hunted small game with a .22 quite a bit and could nail them in the head most times. It's been many years but I believe he had a Smith and Wesson K22.
 
I don't know whether to laugh or be sad.

A post about two guys who DIDN'T get killed, and I start the thread parade on bad shooting, rather than think about problems in society, the potential death of two human beings, or the socio-economic disintegration of what I once imagined was my society.

One becomes inured.

(Flash-back, college days in Chicago: A guy, contractor-type, gets blown up on Eisenhower Expressway in his Mercedes 240SL. Four of us are sitting around having coffee in the student union. One talks about the tragedy of that beautiful car being ruined; two argue about the technology of the bomb which used remote control to initiate the explosion; the fourth bitches about the huge traffic back-up the explosion caused.)

We are some species.
 
Kismet said:
I don't know whether to laugh or be sad.

I start the thread parade on bad shooting, rather than think about problems in society, the potential death of two human beings, or the socio-economic disintegration of what I once imagined was my society.
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I'll play. ;)

As a good liberal I think that the whole violent thing is in part due to the increasing economic stratification of our society, and the continual underfunding of education and cultural activities in economically disadvantaged areas which leads to a devaluation of human life.

However as a good farmer and livestock breeder I think the problem is in larger part due to bad genetics. No matter how much you try to help some people they have a lower IQ and a more impulsive and violent nature programmed into them that it is almost impossible for society to do anything about. This theory gained ground in my eyes when I recently saw an expert in social statistics equate the 30 year reduction in crime to the widespread availabiltiy of abortion and birth control, which reduces the number of unwanted children often sired by parents with antisocial genes.

And, as a jack leg philosopher I'll say maybe some of these violent people rather being genetic maybe it is just they have not been reincarnated as many times, and are still stuck in the lower chakras :cool: Also perhaps the high level of violence in the US in general is because of our National Karma where we basically committed violent genocide on the native americans and now it is haunting us. :confused:
 
Kismet,

We are clearly superior to animals. We don't drag the bodies inside and eat them.



munk
 
Depends upon the price of steak, I guess.

But this is called 'gallows humor', and not seen as particularly healthy by the Mental Health Police.

I thought Danny's idea worth looking at, whether it's true or not. Hollow's idea that birth control and abortion lead to a drop in the violent crime rate is also interesting-....well, moving right along: shooting bad guys does create abortions called 'retroactive', dropping that particular rate.


The truth is that we don't know how to figure out violent crime rates.

What I used as a funny line months ago isn't in this context; "By God, Life's cheap out here on the Brazos."

Not much consolation observing many mammals tear each other apart. All the talents Mother Nature gives us; the emotions, music and art, brains and science were supposed to leave brute strength behind. "I don't care what you call it," Mother Nature says, "Now let's see if you can stay alive."

When I was a kid we played Lion vs Tiger, dinosaur vs snake. When I got older I realized it was us vs us.

munk
 
munk said:
..well, moving right along: shooting bad guys does create abortions called 'retroactive', dropping that particular rate.
munk
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Or the death penalty. I was always a big supporter of the death penalty cause I do feel like some people will do stuff over and over if you ever let them out. However the fact that whether you get it or not depends so much on how much money you have and the fact that DNA has exonerated a lot of people on death row has turned me against it till they can figure out a better way to implement it.

Still, the idea of somehow getting rid of people that are essentially warehoused cause they aren't safe to be in society has got to be solved somehow. :confused:
 
I don't know any answers, Hollow, I don't. If I think too much about this, I'll take a hike. That always helps me, if not the world's problems.


munk
 
Coming late to the discussion, I'd say Spectre has it right ( all 3 responses). Hunters rule, and one aimed round is worth a dozen "Spray and pray"
 
Yvsa said:
Hmmmphft!!!! Bwhhahhahahahaha, yea right.:rolleyes: ;)
SadDora, er Satori remember who you're addressing here.
We've seen you in action remember? :D ;) :cool: :rolleyes: :p
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A 22 year old's imagination can be an astounding thing sometimes.

The refrigerator incident taught me a couple of lessons:
1. Clear cut is not optimal terrain for bayonet rushes.
2. The bayonet on the Russian M44 is very strong.
3. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
4. Sometimes, it's okay to let go of the rifle.
5. With the aid of a suitable rifle-shaped lever, a refrigerator in the act of turning over can actually propel an adult male into the air.
6. Clear cut is not optimal terrain for landing hard.

This is the one that I really wish I'd gotten on film. It was funny enough that I still hear about it eight years later. My pride has almost recovered.

Thankfully, I managed to get these things out of my system before any real harm was done.

"SadDora" has a bit of a ring to it.
 
Satori;
You'd probably be up for my dream of shooting old fridges, ovens, cars and trucks with a Barrett 50 at 1000 yards in the desert.

Only problem in making that dream real is someone has to buy the Barrett.





munk
 
munk said:
Satori;
You'd probably be up for my dream of shooting old fridges, ovens, cars and trucks with a Barrett 50 at 1000 yards in the desert.

Only problem in making that dream real is someone has to buy the Barrett.

Munk
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There are some really nice folks out your way ( MT, ID ) who have 1000 yard benchrest matches shooting at various targets, to include various amounts of black powder. Our family farm on top of one of the mountains in West Virginia gives me cross valley shots limited to 700 to 850 yards max....we set up coke cans of black powder in front of 36" white poster board. This does not use up near as much BP as it sounds since it takes 12 -15 shots sometimes to hit one......and then you just might get it on the third try next time around....definitely holds your interest. My pet rig is a Weatherby Accumark, 270 weatherby mag in a 26" Krieger barrel, Leupold 30mm 6.5-20X Long Range Target (no bipod, just old fashioned sand bags). I never hunt deer at long range; it's just too easy to get closer, and, I believe, more respectful to the animal.
 
munk said:
Satori;
You'd probably be up for my dream of shooting old fridges, ovens, cars and trucks with a Barrett 50 at 1000 yards in the desert.

Only problem in making that dream real is someone has to buy the Barrett.
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If I know you as well as I think I do, Munk, and we're speaking of dreams, you may wish to hold out for a Mk38.

But, as you said, the only problem is that someone has to buy one. I'll keep an eye on Ebay but I'm not optimistic.
 
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