2005 Mustang

Roadrunner said:
I think your brain is stuck in the 70's there Plumber. Here's a quote from the edmunds.com review I read:

"The handling and steering feel are so impressive, in fact, that several road test editors that drove the car back-to-back with the new '05 Corvette felt that while the 'Vette is a bit faster in terms of actual performance numbers, the Mustang is actually more fun to drive."

Edmunds 2005 Mustang review

Now, I've never driven either a Corvette or a Mustang so I can't really speak with authority, but after reading that I don't think it's fair to dismiss the new Mustang's handling just because it shares the same name as those old cars that were built for nothing but straightline speed. This isn't a sports car nor does it pretend to be. It's a big engine wrapped in good-looking sheet metal that's priced for those who like big engines but can't afford a Corvette or a Viper. God knows I would love to have an exotic car that handles like a Formula 1 racer but I'll probably never have enough money to buy or insure one. But even as a 21 yr. old Army Specialist I can save up enough to buy this car in a year or two if I work at it. And really that's what this car is all about IMO; it's attainable, unlike a 'real' sports car. So forgive me for appreciating something so vulgar and tacky, but guess what? I'm not asking you to drive it. There's a big wide world of cool cars out there with something for everyone, so please don't feel the need to crap on someone else's idea of a dream car just because it doesn't match up with your own.
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I know...i have many auto magazine subscriptions. the point is, the mustang is not a turning car, and never will be. they are straight line cars, and always will be. congrats for ford for trying to balance the mustaing, but we will see in the long run.

I have to say of all the modern mustangs, this is the ONLY one to have any engineering thought placed in it. It is still a mustang, and will still be a car for high school kids to make themselves look macho in.
 
Roadrunner said:
I think your brain is stuck in the 70's there Plumber. Here's a quote from the edmunds.com review I read:

"The handling and steering feel are so impressive, in fact, that several road test editors that drove the car back-to-back with the new '05 Corvette felt that while the 'Vette is a bit faster in terms of actual performance numbers, the Mustang is actually more fun to drive."

Edmunds 2005 Mustang review

Now, I've never driven either a Corvette or a Mustang so I can't really speak with authority, but after reading that I don't think it's fair to dismiss the new Mustang's handling just because it shares the same name as those old cars that were built for nothing but straightline speed. This isn't a sports car nor does it pretend to be. It's a big engine wrapped in good-looking sheet metal that's priced for those who like big engines but can't afford a Corvette or a Viper. God knows I would love to have an exotic car that handles like a Formula 1 racer but I'll probably never have enough money to buy or insure one. But even as a 21 yr. old Army Specialist I can save up enough to buy this car in a year or two if I work at it. And really that's what this car is all about IMO; it's attainable, unlike a 'real' sports car. So forgive me for appreciating something so vulgar and tacky, but guess what? I'm not asking you to drive it. There's a big wide world of cool cars out there with something for everyone, so please don't feel the need to crap on someone else's idea of a dream car just because it doesn't match up with your own.
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I've driven both extensively and the Mustang and the Corvette (in stock trim...) are worlds apart, I don't care what the couch racers at edmunds or any other car rag say. It's totally an apples an oranges comparison.

Here's a thought - let's say you want a Corvette for both its handling and straight line acceleration but you can't afford the $50K sticker for a new one, heck that's most people - you can get an '02 Z06 with very low miles (5K to 10K miles) right now for the low $30's, and have a 405hp supercar that far surpasses the new Mustang in terms of both performance and engineering.

I'm not knocking Mustangs, I'm a fan myself and nearly got an '03 Cobra instead of my z06 - but I wanted both handling and straight-line performance out of the box (and I also owned a Ford Lightning which is the epitomy of a straight-line racer with very poor handling in its stock trim...). If/when they come out with a Cobra model for the new Mustang I'll be taking a very close look. It still won't out-handle a 'Vette.

Bottom line is that there are some great new choices out there in the car world, Mustangs included :cool:
 
My thought is this: In the mid $20,000 price range you can have either handling and little horsepower and get a Mazda Miata or Toyota MR2 Spyder, a little horsepower and some handling with a Mustang, or a lot of horsepower and no handling like the old big block Mustangs and Camaros. Personally I think the 05 Mustang looks fine from the front or back but it needs about 6" more nose in front of the front wheels to make it look right from the side.

Concerning Edmunds.com, the statement from Car and Driver about why they thought the Ford Focus was more fun to drive than the Corvette also applies. They said the Focus was more fun to drive because the could actually push the Focus to what it was capable of in everyday driving while the Corvette was essentually just being warmed up in everyday driving. Lets face it a car capable of 0 to 60 in 5.something seconds and turning at 0.8something lateral g's is going to be a little more fun to drive around town than a car with a very low 4, high 3 second time range and mid to high 0.9something lateral g's.
 
Plumber, is there a point to your posts besides crapping on my thread? If so then make it and butt out.
 
to get back on topic, anyone think ford are trying to make a comeback to the classic styles? I've seen it in a few models, I'm very impressed with there work so far.
 
I'm thinking of a change from my '02 WRX, as the budget rally car is not what it seems, especially with the worst manual transmission I've ever used (glass box, anyone), and other assorted goofy and growing nuiances.

I like the '05 Mustang, looks neat...but it's American, and I don't want the reliability issues.

But, Ford did a good job with it, overall. Too bad Ford dumped the independent rear suspension, but I think Ford is putting it in the Cobra edition..

-dan
 
WRX are what I call a 5 year car...after that time everything begins the lemon effect, things start going wrong, until it bleeds you dry!

I've owned american fords (and chevy's) and have a 73 mustang, IMO I dont know what people complain about in regards to reliability. It's also a heavy stereotype, Honda IMO are the biggest POS cars out of Japan, Hyundai from korea should be illegal, but the best advice is to do research before buying a model of car...find the pro's and cons and if the cons outweight the benifits the car offers then ditch that idea :). Also go in more then once to test drive, one drive does not offer a full experience with the car...

I looked at the engine specs on a motoring website and was impressed with this mustang...although I am a classics man through and through, Toyota Supra is the only import/modern car I'd drive. I tend to like pure mechanical over these new computer controlled beasts...
 
Roadrunner said:
Plumber, is there a point to your posts besides crapping on my thread? If so then make it and butt out.
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I'm just expressing my opinion. Sorry that it's not wanted. I'll leave this alone.
 
I gotta say that I've always been a Grocery Getter man myself, so I almost cried when Dodge came out with the Magnum last year, but I also have to say that not previously being a ford fan, the new Mustang is VERY nice. Given my desire to restore a '34 chevy in the future, however, I can't see myself owning 3 toys (which the mustang would most certainly be- the three toys being a hot rod '34, a motorcycle, AND a mustang).

Sincerely,
Anthony
 
A Honda is a POS? Are you on drugs?!?!?!?!?! Every now and then I borrow my brother's Yellow Acura NSX. It is no POS!! Sure, a Corvette is faster, but every person in a Vette looks at it with envy because they know that for every 5000 or so Corvettes on the road there is maybe one NSX. The quality of his NSX make a Corvette, even a new one, feel like a kitcar. Drive a NSX with 20,000 hard miles on it and then drive a Vette with 20,000 hard miles and you will see what I mean. As for the 2005 Mustang, I thank it is a great blend of old and new.
 
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Couldn't believe all this yapping and no pics.

Paul
 
At least with the new Ford Mustang, you can see the resemblence and lineage. Pontiac completely missed the boat on their new GTO. It's as boring as any new car going up and down the highway.

I mean, I don't mind artists renditions of muscle cars from when I was growing up. But back then, I could tell what car it was a long way off ....... GTO, Mustang, Corvette, Road Runner, Camaro, Chevelle, Cuda, etc, etc, etc. If anything, just make them look like the muscle cars from the 60's to the early 70's, drop in big displacement engines, current required safety equipment, healthy sounding exhausts, nice stereo and call it good. No AC, no electric windows and door locks, non of that fancy fluff stuff.

In other words, keep them spartan, tire shreading, affordable and ready for Friday nights.
 
yam said:
At least with the new Ford Mustang, you can see the resemblence and lineage. Pontiac completely missed the boat on their new GTO. It's as boring as any new car going up and down the highway.

I mean, I don't mind artists renditions of muscle cars from when I was growing up. But back then, I could tell what car it was a long way off ....... GTO, Mustang, Corvette, Road Runner, Camaro, Chevelle, Cuda, etc, etc, etc. If anything, just make them look like the muscle cars from the 60's to the early 70's, drop in big displacement engines, current required safety equipment, healthy sounding exhausts, nice stereo and call it good. No AC, no electric windows and door locks, non of that fancy fluff stuff.

In other words, keep them spartan, tire shreading, affordable and ready for Friday nights.
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Amen on the GTO. Did the f that one up. Remember the Lemans econo box?

Paul
 
dano said:
. Too bad Ford dumped the independent rear suspension, but I think Ford is putting it in the Cobra edition..
-dan
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i have done some building and assisted on quite a few "muscle" cars and as far as the Mustang IRS goes......works pretty good in stock trim and helps in the handling department. Start adding any power "boosters" other than exhaust and intake mods (basic stuff) and guess what? The IRS turns into a neat pile of parts the first or second time you launch the car hard. It's a good thing Ford dumped it. I think the new Mustang looks pretty good and I'm a Chevy nut.(Yet I drive a Mopar?)
 
come on lol, whoever says a ford focus is as fun as a vette has never driven a vette, come on now.........get real lol
 
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