2009 Calendar is now for sale.

The calendar that JT put together is a nice one. It is large, and has plenty of space to write notes on each date. Quality is good, paper is heavy. Cost is 7 cents a day. I usually find that much on the ground every day.

The 7 cents a day thing reminds me of a great memory from the past:
When my daughter was 15-16, we all had house chores that we did. One of hers was to collect and take out the trash. She was on a school trip, so I was taking out the trash one week, and when I dumped her beedroom can there was loose change in it. I put it on her bed side table (from where I assumed it had been knocked off into the trash accidentally). When in her room again (after she was back from the trip), I saw that it was back in the can? I asked her about it and she said, " Dad, it is only change. I don't carry it and it is too much trouble to keep around, so I throw it away." I sat her down right there,and had a good talk with her about the value of money and the fact that all money has worth. I told her that if I caught her throwing away money again,even pennies, it would be the end of her allowance.The next week I saw a box on her dresser with change in it. I made her a bedside lamp with a 3 gallon water jug as the base. I cut a 3" round hole in the side of the jug to put in (and remove) change.She saved her change until she went off to college, and when she rolled it was stunned at how much money there was. Must have worked, she is 32 and still saves and budgets.....and she still has her penny lamp.
Stacy
 
Not to hijack the thread, but great story, Stacy. My grandparents always use bills to pay for things, they never pay in change. Every purchase they make, they break a bill and when they get home, they dump the change into a bucket . They also pick up change they find on the ground and have for years. One day after 40 years of collecting change, they decided to cash in their coins. They had 5 gallon wash tubs, buckets, etc full of change in their closet. When it all cashed out, they had something around $5000 in those buckets. They took a cruise.

--nathan
 
Hi Jarod (and others...)

Really looks like you spent quite a bit of time on this, and the format you chose (like the Knives Annuals) allows you to include a LOT more knives than had you left full rectangle images.

Nice hard work. Looks great! :thumbup: :thumbup:

For the future: I see a lot of images that were taken by me, and probably other professionals. In all of these cases the images are copyrighted to the Photographer and not to the maker of the knife. Has there been credit given? That needs to be asked.

Now, no one is getting rich here, and I know it's a labor of love. I am not going to raise a stink if not. But, one must always watch their backs in business, and I am in business. My mortgage tells me so.... :eek: ;) Those credits are a requirement of subsequent exposure.

As late as my post is, this is the first time I have known about this. No biggie.

Thanks.

Coop
 
I am sorry coop i did not know. my bad and i feel bad about it and i apologize. i did spend a lot of time on it. i was looking at photo shop for way to long on this project ;D.
 
Although I know it is terribly hard to believe, all of my images were taken by me and my camera. I KNOW!! I can't believe it either sometimes! ;)

Glad you posted, Coop. At least you know JT's not making any coin on this deal. We all definitely want to get you guys the credit you deserve. You do AMAZING work, and I know that every little flaw on my knives would stand out like a hooker in a nunnery if I ever had you take some photos. Maybe someday....

--nathan
 
I was under the impression that there was some money being made. I looked around cafepress, but I couldn't find the $25 version of a print your own calendar, maybe I'm missing something.
 
no it was not a non profit venture but all in all i think i made like 60-70 bucks so far so it almost could be considered non profit compared to how much time i put into it which was months and months and months worth of work. i think i get like 5 bucks a calendar but have to wait 90 days to get a check from them. I did not do this to make money, i did it so that we could have a calendar. i made a few bucks but that's not why i did it.
 
Thanks, Like i said i was not looking to get rich that's what knife making is for :D:eek::foot:;).
 
I figured featuring yourself on the cover was the tradeoff for the hours and hours of compiling other people's pictures.

To make it clear, I am not now nor have I ever been against making moneyn even off of other knifemakers. I know that Nathan was not the only person who thought this was at cost, this practice is what I take issue with.

Maybe I just take honesty and full disclosure too seriously, must be getting old.
 
I was not meaning to be dishonest as i try to be 100% honest with my dealing with other people. I am sorry if people thought i was trying to be dishonest because I did not actually say that i was going to add on a few bucks to the sale price. but i did come out and tell every one what i thought i could do them for and no one had any problem with it. I just have always been taught that everyones time is worth something and is valuable to that person, and that i should not just assume that it's given away for free. I mean if you calculate it out I started this project on Auguste 3rd and did not get it done till October 16. that's almost 2.5 months and i can tell you that i spent well over one hundred hrs of my own time on this project not including bubba-dolls time in helping me, so its not like i just slapped it together in a few hrs and tried to make a buck off it. I was trying to do a good thing for people and provide a nice high quality product that had there knives in it. O well i guess you cant win them all. if people want i can pull the calendar and not have it for sale anymore.
 
It doesn't bother me, brother. Good job on the calendar and thanks for the hard work. Live and learn as far as the pro photos thing goes. We'll know better next time.

--nathan
 
Point: Knowing how much time is involved in the selection and removal of these knives from the core images and the subsequent layout, I would submit that ANY extra funds rec'd have hardly made it worthy of calling JT's meager receipts a 'profit'.

Like I said before: Nice work. :thumbup:

Coop
 
SharpByCoop said:
Point: Knowing how much time is involved in the selection and removal of these knives from the core images and the subsequent layout, I would submit that ANY extra funds rec'd have hardly made it worthy of calling JT's meager receipts a 'profit'.

Like I said before: Nice work. :thumbup:

Coop
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Thanks man, that means a lot :D
 
AcridSaint if you spent over 100 HRS. taking pictures for someone and "made" $70.00 and someone asked if you made a profit I would bet you would say no. I dont think JT was trying to be dishonest. I do think that he has learned to cover his @ss next time and make sure to ask permission and give deserved credit in the future. The man apologized and I dont think you should call him dishonest.

I dont think bashing someone for a honest mistake is right, I must be getting old too
 
I work professionally in the computer field and I can tell you that if 100 hours were spent on that calendar then it wasn't professional work and thus a person cannot charge professional wages. I know what my time is worth, I also know what advertising is worth. When I feature myself on a calendar and require everyone who wants more info on makers to go to a website that I own, I consider that valuable as well.

If I'm charging for my time, if I'm charging anything at all, then I'm going to tell you up front about it. Me coming by and offering to do you a favor and then quietly getting money for it is hardly an honest mistake, feel free to bash me if I you ever see me doing it.

The topic had to be bumped to even get a response, must be because everyone involved was just brimming with honesty.
 
AcridSaint, will you just lay of Jarod please. I looked back at his original thread and it said nothing about this being a favor. Also, when he said that it would be $25, nobody complained or asked why. Of course it is not professional work. He is a machinist and a knife maker, not a photographer or a computerist (is that a word, I'm not sure) or someone that makes calendars for a living. He just wanted to do it because he felt like having a calendar composed with pictures of knives made by him and other makers on this forum. What is so wrong with that? Yeah, he made mistakes, he's only human. He has been informed of the mistakes, has apologized for making them, and has learned how to do it better next time.

As for calling him dishonest, that's just wrong. Never once did he say, or lead anybody to believe, that he was doing this for free. If you can prove me wrong on that then please do. Jarod is one of the most honest and caring guys that I know, and that's saying a lot. Any one that knows him will tell you that he tries to be, and is, honest in all his dealings with other people, business or pleasure.

Sorry if this posts sounds at all rude, it's not meant to be. I just don't like to see good people being insulted for trying to good things. Lets all just play nice and be friends again.

He has apologized for all of his mistakes regarding this calendar. So anyone that still has a problem with any of it needs to just forgive and forget. Holding grudges and continuing to insult his integrity won't do anybody any good.
 
The point here is that he's always just being a "nice" guy and making "honest" mistakes. He just said above he didn't do this to make money, yet he made money and didn't bother telling anyone or answering when it was brought up two days ago. Being badgered into manning up doesn't garner any respect from me, nor should it from anyone else.

Now, I never said he told people it was free, but I do believe in lies of omission. An honest man is an honest man, he doesn't wait until people push on him to be honest. If he's just being a good guy and only doing it so "we" can have a calendar, why add a petty $6 or $7 to the price?

Most posts I've seen by Jarod seem to be to further his ego or make a couple bucks. People that have been around the community a while have all seen truly selfless acts in knifemaking right here on Bladeforums. I've seen Stacy offer steel and lessons to countless people, I've seen grinders given away, I referred a new maker to Dan Gray not long ago and he says it was the luckiest find he could have had, I doubt Dan tried to lift 5 bucks off of him. I've had several makers buy me lunch while I spent a whole day learning in their shop. In return for all of this generosity, I watch out for times that I can help and send materials or give advice.

All of our time is worth something and most of us seem content getting that "something" right here on the forums. Maybe for some people's time is worth more than that.
 
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