2017 Price Increase(s)

I guess I'm the odd man out, since the price increase doesn't really bug me that much. I find it hard to get angry about something so trivial. It just means I might have to save a couple more bucks when I find one I like.
 
StuntDouble said:
I guess I'm the odd man out, since the price increase doesn't really bug me that much. I find it hard to get angry about something so trivial. It just means I might have to save a couple more bucks when I find one I like.
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prices are already high on a company that has sub optimal quality, and they raise the price more. that doesnt bother you?
 
Have we seen enough of a sample to determine that all of their knives or a good portion are of a sub-optimal quality? What constitutes sub-optimal quality? Are we talking an edge that might be slightly off, or knives that have poor tolerances?

I guess I've been lucky with my Benchmade purchases, in that I can't remember seeing one I would consider to be of sub-optimal quality.
 
I take exception to that too. Of my recent Spyderco purchases, I bought a K2 that has terrible lock stick, a PM2 that developed and still has blade play and a Manix2 XL that had a very off center blade that I couldn't completely correct. The other 3 are fine.

Based on my experience I guess I should I go into the Spyderco sub forum and claim that their products are sub optimal quality?
 
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Have we seen enough of a sample to determine that all of their knives or a good portion are of a sub-optimal quality?
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I've seen my fair share....blade grinds and bevels have rarely been symmetrical on mine. Awful blade centering is another common problem I've noticed. Cosmetic defects on brand new knives, sloppy fit and finish. I'm a hardcore Benchmade fan but I think they're pricing themselves out of my interest. Their new titanium model looks nice to me, but with a price tag that's approaching a Sebenza and quality that's not even close, I think I'll pass on it unless I can find a killer deal somewhere.

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StuntDouble said:
Have we seen enough of a sample to determine that all of their knives or a good portion are of a sub-optimal quality? What constitutes sub-optimal quality? Are we talking an edge that might be slightly off, or knives that have poor tolerances?

I guess I've been lucky with my Benchmade purchases, in that I can't remember seeing one I would consider to be of sub-optimal quality.
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pbcg said:
I take exception to that too. Of my recent Spyderco purchases, I bought a K2 that has terrible lock stick, a PM2 that developed and still has blade play and a Manix2 XL that had a very off center blade that I couldn't completely correct. The other 3 are fine.

Based on my experience I guess I should I go into the Spyderco sub forum and claim that their products are sub optimal quality?
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K2 was made to have lock stick. i was like wtf too. theirs a thread on it here. my PM2 doesnt have blade play. did you tighten the pivot? a small turn will probably fix that, as ive read that and this fixes the problem. dont have a manix2 XL but my manix2 is center.

im not saying that problems dont happen with other manufactures... what im saying is, its a RAMPANT issue with benchmade. if you read the reviews, like amazon, knife center etc, you will see. just look at the majority of people on this forum's opinions, its not like anyone is quiet about it, i dont want to be mean, but anyone that doesnt know, is living under a rock, if you havent heard of the quality issues already.

and then ill direct your attention to nick shabazz video, he has multiple videos where he mentions this, its not just this one, and he is 100% correct. nick's not the only one on youtube with these statements either, as said above, its a rampant issue with benchmade for a few years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnwUEgwWzII
[video=youtube;jnwUEgwWzII]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnwUEgwWzII[/video]

So again, im not just saying it to say it. its a wide spread issue that benchmade KNOWS there is an issue but wont admit it.

So you overpay for sub optimal quality. you could just buy a ZT with better pricing and quality and more in general, and thats just one example. some people are satisfied with a knife regardless of any issues that they dont realize are actual issues. i mean not everyone is an expert.
 
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The K2 was made to have lock stick? Maybe they came up with that later but that's not what Farid said when I asked him about it. He suggested I disassemble the knife and bend the lock bar, voiding the warranty.

As far as adjusting blade play and off center blades, Yes, I know how to do it and in this case couldn't and why I mentioned it. Thanks for the advice anyway.

BTW: Going into a manufactures sub forum and telling the fans there that their brand is sub quality and that they should "Just buy a ZT" is extremely poor form if not trolling. Try and show a little respect here. This isn't the GKD.
 
pbcg said:
The K2 was made to have lock stick? Maybe they came up with that later but that's not what Farid said when I asked him about it. He suggested I disassemble the knife and bend the lock bar, voiding the warranty.

As far as adjusting blade play and off center blades, Yes, I know how to do it and in this case couldn't and why I mentioned it. Thanks for the advice anyway.

BTW: Going into a manufactures sub forum and telling the fans there that their brand is sub quality and that they should "Just buy a ZT" is extremely poor form if not trolling. Try and show a little respect here. This isn't the GKD.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...tick-question-humor-me?highlight=k2+lockstick
https://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71600&hilit=farid+lock+stick&start=60
So i dunno what to say about that.

i have benchmades, they have the issues, i like the benchmades i have, even with the issues, i dont like that i paid more for a knife with issues. im using zt as an example 1 of many. benchmade have the issue, its not me. the reality is they are too expensive for the quality you get when other brands dont have that issue as rampant as benchmade does. i dont care for fanboys, as fanboy opinions detract from the real issues.
 
I wish I had kept the PM but I contacted Farid about the K2 when it first came out and that's what he told me. Nothing about how he made it that way.

You want post about the issues you're having, go ahead, fine with me but as I said, going into the manufactures sub forum and bashing the entire brand and telling them to buy other brands is another thing.

You know, this is the same garbage that drove ZT out of here. People started posting about every single issue they had with ZT. Minor or major. And there were a lot of them. The rep got so tired of it he had to make a rule not to post about QC issues in the sub forum. Then he finally got tired of it and pulled the plug. Don't believe me read the archives.

Don't want to deal with fanboi's, don't go into their sub forum.
 
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How is it garbage? I didn't say buy another brand I basically said it makes more sense too. Why won't Benchmade fix the rampant issues? I don't want to buy another one until they fix the issues.

Also if you read the other threads it's alot of people saying this.

Also I'm a paying member here that owns Benchmade knives. I have a say in this subforum. If you don't like facts or what I have to say there is an ignore function.

I don't have issues with fanboys I just don't blindly listen to them, because they are blinded by the fanboyism of the bigger issues, like in this case where Benchmade are overcharging and under delivering.
 
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Mo2 said:
How is it garbage? I didn't say buy another brand I basically said it makes more sense too. Why won't Benchmade fix the rampant issues? I don't want to buy another one until they fix the issues.

Also if you read the other threads it's alot of people saying this.

Also I'm a paying member here that owns Benchmade knives. I have a say in this subforum. If you don't like facts or what I have to say there is an ignore function.

I don't have issues with fanboys I just don't blindly listen to them, because they are blinded by the fanboyism of the bigger issues, like in this case where Benchmade are overcharging and under delivering.
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Guess you missed my point. No problem talking about issues your having. That's great and benefits the community. Plus that's how one can get help and advice.

Bashing the entire brand in their sub forum is another thing and what I take issue with. Plus using youtube video's and Amazon reviews to do it. Are you kidding me? I'm sure if I wanted to I could flood any manufactures forum with negative youtube and Amazon reviews. In fact that's exactly what they did with ZT.

For what it's worth the last 30 BM's I purchased didn't have any issues so not everyone is experiencing these rampant problems. Maybe some are.. But keep in mind under close inspection ANY production knife will have flaws. The question is are they real defects or something that only requires minor adjustment.

But bash away, I've said my peace.
 
I have around 75 Benchmade knives going back to August 2005. Little by little, I'm buying fewer and fewer.

This all started with MAP enforcement in late 2013 which increased prices substantially. For instance, my Benchmade 940 with Satin S30V blade and green aluminum from 2013 cost me $134 but now it's $182.75.

I purchased 5 Benchmade knives in 2014 with one of them being H&K. Except for the H&K one which was by far the cheapest at $93 with D2/G-10 all others had issues including blade not centered and would not center, blade play that could not be corrected, blade tip protruding, asymmetrical swedge, etc. Only the H&K model was really worth the price and defect free!

2014
  1. Benchmade 810-1401 Contego
  2. Benchmade 484 Nakamura
  3. Benchmade 940-1
  4. Benchmade 710-1401
  5. Benchmade H&K 14715BK

Purchased a few in 2015 and the quality was very good. Only the H&K model was really worth the price.

2015
  1. Benchmade H&K 14716BK
  2. Benchmade 480-1
  3. Benchmade 615BK-1501 Mini-Rukus
  4. Benchmade 485 Valet

Purchased a few in 2016 and the quality was very good. Two of the three purchased were simply my love of the 940.

2016
  1. Benchmade 698 Foray
  2. Benchmade 940-1501
  3. Benchmade 940-2

Now, we have the situation with Benchmade even worse than 2014-2016! The value priced H&K and Doug Ritter models are gone! MSRP on some models have increased by 10%. The new 2017 models invoke no passion and if they do it's tempered by overpricing!
 
What you claim is bashing is the truth backed up with facts. Sorry your being a fanboy about it. This is where we talk about Benchmade. If you want only want one perspective, you can stay in your room and disconnect from the internet.
 
Mo2 said:
What you claim is bashing is the truth backed up with facts. Sorry your being a fanboy about it. This is where we talk about Benchmade. If you want only want one perspective, you can stay in your room and disconnect from the internet.
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No need for the personal insults. Just shows you be the noob you really are. Along with using youtube and amazon reviews as your knowledge base.

Plus no clue of sub forum etiquette. Welcome to BFC and have fun!

I'll go to my room now...
 
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Not once have I bought a Benchmade with any quality issues, I am still waiting to find this rampant problem of Q.C. issues.

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I have a gold class 908-151 that has pretty asymmetrical edge bevels. Not happy with that at all. I bought numerous Benchmades this year, new and used. Only one had perfect centering - a 320 precinct...

I agree to some extent that Spydercos (non-Taiwan ones) aren't that stellar in terms of consistency in quality either. Though I would still place Benchmade below (not significantly) U.S. made Spydercos. ZT and Taiwan Spydercos are significantly better in terms of consistency in quality.
 
Zhuzhufd said:
I have a gold class 908-151 that has pretty asymmetrical edge bevels. Not happy with that at all. I bought numerous Benchmades this year, new and used. Only one had perfect centering - a 320 precinct...

I agree to some extent that Spydercos (non-Taiwan ones) aren't that stellar in terms of consistency in quality either. Though I would still place Benchmade below (not significantly) U.S. made Spydercos. ZT and Taiwan Spydercos are significantly better in terms of consistency in quality.
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Pretty much my take and I'd be really peeved if a Gold Class had such quality issues.

Right now, Benchmade quality is pretty good and that's based on my purchases the past 18-24 months. It's about par with U.S.-made Spydercos and better than Spydercos made in Japan & China. Definitely inferior in quality to Spydercos from Taichung & Italy and the U.S.-made Zero Tolerance.
 
RamZar said:
Now, we have the situation with Benchmade even worse than 2014-2016! The value priced H&K and Doug Ritter models are gone! MSRP on some models have increased by 10%. The new 2017 models invoke no passion and if they do it's tempered by overpricing!
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Don't forget the Strykers and 710 series being cut too. I posted this thread before the 2017 line was released, and what a sad little bunch they are. Too many models with ugly plastic handles, S30V all over the place, nothing that will be long-lasting like the ones they are cutting. It's not even so much that many of the old designs are being retired, as it is that they are being replaced with new bland and over priced knives that will occupy space in the BM catalog.

Even if some of the current/old models are worth the increased prices, I think someone has gone nuts at BM by thinking the people that pay $150 are going to bite on any of their new plasticky stuff.
 
It's like deja vu all over again; the same dogpile histrionics that took off on Bladeforums when Benchmade MAP was announced years ago. Members suddenly materialized in this sub-forum to proclaim that there were "QC problems", that they wouldn't buy any more Benchmades, and that the company would go out of business. Didn't work out that way but all it takes is a couple of effective trolls to convince a crowd that the world is ending.

The way I see it, if something costs too much money for you to afford, don't buy it. Simple. No need to harangue the the sub-forum.
 
So going to a knife store and sorting through a large batch of knives only to find one that was good is trolling? Seriously? And the guys who have collection of BM knives as stated above who stated his issues with BM is also trolling? Seriously?

No where did I say anything remotely comparable to trolling let alone saying that they will go out of business. Wow just wow. It's not that it's too expensive for me, it's that their are comparable products that offer better QC and lower prices and better models. And this has been repeated by many BM fans many times before and currently this week since the new models showed up.

Please please please stop making this into something it's not. No one is trolling here.

Thread is about Benchmade and price increase, and when you look at the picture as a whole, you pay more for a Benchmade and have to send it back to get a respectable quality. Shouldn't you get a really good quality product for the cost in the first place... Especially if it's being raised?
 
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