.22 beretta sub-compact for backpack???

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And no I would not be getting it for survival (conventional) or hunting bears :D

My glock-19 is a bit bulky and heavy(compared to no gun) for a back pack and I would like a little .22 to have around. Any advise on this pistol or in general on this topic? (and ps. I would probably feel safe enough with a .22 for black bear its a last ditch thing anyway and probably wouldnt even come to mind will speaking to the snickers starved bruin ;) )
 
I wouldn't have any problems with carrying a Berreta .22 in the woods but I would not want to face a bear with one. I would think that you would need contact distace to get any penetration to be effective. However if you're not in a bear rich enviornment then the .22 should be enough to fend off the 2 legged critters and maybe roll a rabbit or squirrel for the pot. Just make sure that if you are going to carry a smaller gun and smaller caliber, that you can place your shots in a face size target. Shot placement is always important but increasingly so with the smaller guns. Personally I would sacrifice a can of food so the Glock could make the trip but that is just my personal taste :) Oh yeah a good walking stick could back up that .22 on the trail too.
 
Shot placement--exactly. The beretta has fixed=built in-sights I was hoping someone could tell me about the accuracy.

I dont think I could shoot a bear that was after my ramen noodles anyway. ;) It would pretty much have to be chewing on my arm before Id go that route. And then caliber choice probably dosnt matter so much as what you have the leftover faculties to do with it I guess :confused: ;)


Sometimes I dont carry one at all. Hunting knife and Tomahawk when no gun. Toing a firearm seems to give a little extra peice of mind (two legged critters more than others(they wont want noodles :eek: )
 
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Have you considered the KelTec .380. Unbelievably small, handy, and with +P ammo, a lot more firepower than the .22...
Just a thought...

When I carry a .22 Out & About, it is usually the Sig Trailside. In potentially treacherous places, the Glock 19 is going along, despite the weight...

"but that's just me..." :D
 
I would just take the G19 and deal with the extra weight and size. I'm sure that getting shot with a .22 is no fun, but I would feel better with a 9mm.
 
I carried a beretta model 70 (?) around the woods a lot in high school. It had interchangable barrels, 3 and 5 " I believe... I always felt a bit safer with it, and even bagged a spruce grouse with the 3" barrel on...
 
A .22 pistol is one of the best survival choices for food gathering of small game. That being said, if you can't hit a pheasant or rabbit (or deer) with it at a decent range then it's dead weight. So it's a trade off. If you're serious about using it as a good tool, by all means. If just a plinker, then go light!
 
If you just want a little pocket 22, like one of these?
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That's cool, but don't fool yourself that its any kind of defense tool. A big can of bear spray or Fox Labs OC spray would be way better for defense purposes and probably lighter to pack. (not to mention legal in a national park, since you are talking backpacking)
Keep a big knife/hawk and walking staff handy for defense purposes like was mentioned is great too.

For woods plinking and general purposes I think a G19 is just right. Easy to strap to your pack, cheap ammo for bouncing pine cones, and still something capable as a weapon.

Most folks I know that have picked up little mini 22's of one kind or another lose their enchantment real quick. What are they 150 bucks? Compare that to the a new SRKW Battle Rat? No contest.
 
Sort of on the subject. But you should know that one of the largest Brown bears taken in Alaska was done in by a single shot .22 with shorts I beleive.
It is in the record books.
Little old Indian lady was backed up onto a shelving unit in her cabin and all she had was an old single shot .22 and a box of ammo. I think it took more than 20-30 rounds, but it worked. Of course the bad bear might have just died of lead poisoning. Think it was a guiness book, not sure, but it was a good source in print. :eek: <><
 
A 10 YOA was out wandering the woods and cornered on a boulder by a Black bear. The child had been entrusted to carry a .22lr rifle and shot the bear that day. After the bear left the parents returned to track the bear. To thier amazement it was found fairly close and 9 out of 10 rounds had peetrated the skull.
I read this in an Outdoor mag 10+ years ago.

I like the .32 or .380 from Kel-Tec. Very light. I have one of each and like them. If I wanted Pot meat I would go with one of the S&W revovlers in the Titanium series or a Ruger MKII or 22/45.

I had my 22/45 out at the range the other day and was hitting groundhog sillioutes and crows at 100 yards.

The Berretta is a cool little gun with a warning from the factory to not carry one in the chamber.

Gadget54
 
frediver said:
Sort of on the subject. But you should know that one of the largest Brown bears taken in Alaska was done in by a single shot .22 with shorts I beleive.
It is in the record books.
Little old Indian lady was backed up onto a shelving unit in her cabin and all she had was an old single shot .22 and a box of ammo. I think it took more than 20-30 rounds, but it worked. Of course the bad bear might have just died of lead poisoning. Think it was a guiness book, not sure, but it was a good source in print. :eek: <><
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She took the time to reload her 22 and shoot one round at a time while the bear was there waiting for some more of those annoying stings ? ;)

I'm not even sure a 22 round could bust a bear's eye... :D

That being said, a old woods guy from Quebec has killed a black bear with an arrow in the butt. He even had a written certificate for it, written from a judge and signed by witnesses. He (out of dumb luck, and he's the first one to acknowledge it) severed the bear's femoral artery, which dropped about 300 feet away from the scene.

Cheers :D

David
 
Gadget54 said:
To thier amazement it was found fairly close and 9 out of 10 rounds had peetrated the skull.
The Berretta is a cool little gun with a warning from the factory to not carry one in the chamber.

Gadget54
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Any bullet out of a short pistol barrel is a far cry from the same round out of a rifle in both range and power.
 
There are a couple of companies, I've got the Advantage Arms version, that make conversion kits that will turn that 9mm Glock into a .22. In .22 mode it's so light you won't know your carrying it. If wieght wasn't an issue for you I'd take it with me in 9mm setup for personal protection and take the .22 conversion kit for fun.
 
Greyhair said:
There are a couple of companies, I've got the Advantage Arms version, that make conversion kits that will turn that 9mm Glock into a .22. In .22 mode it's so light you won't know your carrying it. If wieght wasn't an issue for you I'd take it with me in 9mm setup for personal protection and take the .22 conversion kit for fun.
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OO OO can you get me a link or website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:
 
It's more money, but I greatly prefer an 8-shot Titanium Smith and Wesson, 317 AirLite 22LR revolver with 3-inch barrel. You can use high velocity hollow points with no question of feeding problems. Single action it is very accurate. It is incredibly light, it feels like a toy. I took one hunting and got 8 rabbits with it. Mostly I head shot them while they were standing still, but a couple I took while they were on the run.
 
I would argue that a .22 is a perfectly adequete for use in bear country.
However, only if you have someone else with you. As you are running away from the bear, shoot the other person in the kneecap with the .22. You will then be able to run much faster than them. If you are by yourself, you need something much bigger. :)
Seriously though, I like .22's and have discovered the hard way, that on the trail, lighter is better and concur with Jeff Clark. I own an older "3 S&W model 317 which I consider the ideal trail gun. Its made of aluminum and stainless steel, weighs only 12 ozs and holds 8 rds. I have heard of others having problems with poor accuracy, hard extraction, heavy triggers and issues with the clear-kote finish but, I haven't experienced those problems with mine. Loaded up with CCI Velocitors and a couple of CCI snake shot rds I feel quite confident with it (shoots best with CCI SGB's and Winchester Power Points though). Carry it in a Tommy's Gun Pack on my waist which provides protection, concealment and readily accessible.
I also have a S&W model 63 revolver which is a 4" all stainless steel .22 kit gun that I carried for years but, now stays in the safe.
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