24" Teardrop Fuller Sirupati

I think one of the problems is the modern definition of "martial arts." Real martial arts ARE battlefield arts. The real MA has nothing to do with fancy movements or light, fast, dazzling weapons displays.
The teardrop sirupati IS NOT a chopper, it's a stabber, basically, with some cutting on the side. The khukuri has an interesting ability to stab and cut at the same time when used with the overhead cut. It doesn't need to be deep or instantly lethal; it only needs to put the man down. Blood loss and bacteria will finish him off.

I come from a Japanese budo background, but those masters point to India as the ultimate source of Budo. Who knows how the roads converged and parted over the centuries?
 
C.S. Graves said:
Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that due to the prevalence of firearms and the lack of modern battles consisting solely of melee weaponry, basically if you don't have a firearm, anything else could be considered "better than nothing"... it will either be woefully inadequate or catch the opponent off guard.
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Not exactly true, while I realize the 21ft rule regarding defense against a knife wielding attacker with a gun has come under fire over the past few years, it is really unrealistic to disregard a knife (bladed weapon) as a effective weapon at close range. Each weapon has its advantages and a firearm is not always the best or most deadly.
 
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DannyinJapan said:
The teardrop sirupati IS NOT a chopper, it's a stabber, basically, with some cutting on the side. The khukuri has an interesting ability to stab and cut at the same time when used with the overhead cut. It doesn't need to be deep or instantly lethal; it only needs to put the man down. Blood loss and bacteria will finish him off.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "ability to stab and cut at the same time when used with the overhead cut." but I hope that you do have a chance to make a video I would really like to see what you you're talking about. Earlier you said it was a chopper, what changed your mind or did you simply misspeak ?
 
I can see it in my mind and I can do it, but I can't say it. (and I cant type well, either)
Maybe I misspoke, too.
Just imagine bringing this particular blade forward and down, the point striking first.
That is not all it could do, the khukuri can be used to hook, scrape, choke, and tenderize.
I'm speaking of the specific reason for this specific design.
 
HARPERSGRACE said:
Not exactly true, while I realize the 21ft rule regarding defense against a knife wielding attacker with a gun has come under fire over the past few years, it is really unrealistic to disregard a knife (bladed weapon) as a effective weapon at close range. Each weapon has its advantages and a firearm is not always the best or most deadly.
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This is a good point. The knife wielder is plenty dangerous if they can close the distance.

I'd put my money on a shotgun-toter most of the time meself, though. :D
 
DannyinJapan said:
I can see it in my mind and I can do it, but I can't say it. (and I cant type well, either)
Maybe I misspoke, too.
Just imagine bringing this particular blade forward and down, the point striking first.
That is not all it could do, the khukuri can be used to hook, scrape, choke, and tenderize.
I'm speaking of the specific reason for this specific design.
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I think what Danny is trying to say is that with this type of blade curvature, on the downward stroke ,you can easily bury the tip in the target if you wish to. But it also slashes and stabs quite well. My medium/smaller hands fit quite well on it double handed. For larger people the grip would probably Hand and a half. People like Cpl. Pun would probaly find it easy to swing one handed.
Nick pretty much nailed it with this:
Nicholas said:
It seems to me to be best described as a "Hand-and-a-half" weapon. (A "bastard khukuri"? Nah......)
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I would like to see this model being made in the 16" size on up to whatever,i could also see large examples of this model being suitable for festival sacrifice.

For anyone interested in giving the video a second look, it now has sound. I dont know how i duplicated cutting the first pumpkin but the sound is correct. Hey, its only my 2nd time using Windows movie maker. :o
 
That shape looks kinda like a Hanshee:

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Yeah, I could probably swing it one-handed, it's a little lighter than my 20" CAK, but for fighting, I couldn't control it adequately with one hand.

I think what Danny is saying is this: Look at the downward sweep of the blade. Now picture an overhand swing. Note that the point will hit first. As you continue the swing to follow-through, you'll be both driving the point into the body (stabbing) and running the blade (chopping), cutting the flesh open from where the tip is, out towards yourself.

What I don't understand, and I've read it on several posts on several boards, but people think that kukris can't stab. What's up with that? Some models (thinking the WWII) aren't great at it, but even a big bruiser like an Ang Khola is pointy enough to stab quite well.
 
I think that most people, including myself, think of stabbing as being similar to thrusting. Not as hitting someone with an ice pick or a tomahawk spike. And by "not stabbing well" I don't mean it isn't pointy enough, I mean that it's awkward.
 
IMO stabbing with a kukri is neither awkward or difficult, if you take a little while to look at how the blade is shaped and can be employed. In fact, because of the wrist angle a kukri allows, I think it goes easier on my wrist and gets a stronger stab out of it than a straight blade.

Taken from: http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/Content/khukuri_handling/

Look under "combat encounter" and "stabbing" on the right hand menu on the above page.
 
I have yet to "stab" with a thrusting motion when using any of my Khuks. I've only stabbed down into wood when I didn't have room to swing and I've had less than stellar results.

Also, awkward does not always equate to hard. If I were to wear a dress it would be awkward, but it isn't by any means hard. I'm sure that I'll get better with time.
 
Duzzy said:
Also, awkward does not always equate to hard. If I were to wear a dress it would be awkward, but it isn't by any means hard. I'm sure that I'll get better with time.
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You must have a different body than I do. :p


But seriously, using a technique much like than shown in the link above, I've driven my big, fat CAK through 1/2" plywood without much trouble (getting it back out was another story).

Maybe it's just me, but a forward stab, even close in, is easier on my wrist with a kukri than a knife.
 
The only dress that I would call difficult is the 20's Flapper.

As I said, I've never tried a forward stab. I did notice that when I did a downward stab, with the edge facing in towards my body, that the point consistently hit closer than it was meant. I think that the curve of the blade "amplifies" the downward curve of your arm.
 
Corporal, you got it!
That's what I meant to say, but my Engrish is not so goode these daze.

Look at the downward sweep of the blade. Now picture an overhand swing. Note that the point will hit first. As you continue the swing to follow-through, you'll be both driving the point into the body (stabbing) and running the blade (chopping), cutting the flesh open from where the tip is, out towards yourself.
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Now all we need is a body to test it on.
 
kukulza28 said:
Find a local butcher and buy a whole pig off of him and hang it up and butcher it yourself? Just a thought.
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I was going to suggest the more economical option of looking for unfortunate homeless folk recently perished sleeping under bridges or something. :(

JK! :o
 
C.S. Graves said:
I was going to suggest the more economical option of looking for unfortunate homeless folk recently perished sleeping under bridges or something. :(

JK! :o
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It'd take a lot longer time to find 'em though.
Perhaps someone ought to make a tatami-man... series of tatami mats and surfacing to simulate the cutting of limbs, torso, head... but also properly surfaced to simulate thrusting. And of course the wooden amateurs holding the tatami man together needs to simulate a basic skeleton. The head also needs to have some hardness to it (skull)...

quite a bit of construction to hack and stab it apart :D
 
C.S. Graves said:
I was going to suggest the more economical option of looking for unfortunate homeless folk recently perished sleeping under bridges or something. :(

JK! :o
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the whole pig carcass would be difficult to get quickly here, the UK butchers get their meat mostly thru wholesalers and would have to order it. it does have the advantage of tasting better, most deceased homeless folk are not only malnourished but are smelly and you have to clean them. if you wait too long after they are deceased, they tend to really taste bad, live ones are a better test anyway. in either case the neighbours tend to complain when you hang them up for aging. neighbours can taste better under such circumstances but it's more difficult to explain why they disappeared.
 
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