2nd knife, showing improvement...

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nothing special, started life as a file from where i work. Since i've began my journey into knifemaking i've opened up a whole new world. One of the machinists offered me a small handfull of old nicholson files with chipped teeth and just generally worn out... So i figured, let's try a good old fashioned file knife... nothing fancy... just wanted to take what i had learned thus far and make as nice a blade as i possibly could...

started by annealing the file, i slowly got it up to heat and stuck it in a metal bucket of sand which i had pre-heated on my turkey fryer burner
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then i used a 4.5" grinder and took the teeth off to give it a workable surface and sketch out a possible blade
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i then cut out the shape with a basic cutoff wheel on the same grinder and used my bench grinder to clean up the shape... at this point i cut out and drilled the scale halves... i wanted to hold it in my hand, and decide if it needed something more... which i decided it did...
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so i ground in a finger choil just to make it more comfortable with detail type work, and drilled the tang and handle scales for my pieces of curly maple.
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got my bevels ground and the edge down to about a dime's thickness, then drilled some extra holes in the tang for glue and lightening, ready for heat treat.
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while talking to my boss at work i mentioned that i wish i had some thing to coat the back of the blade to try for a differential heat treat. i was worried about the blade being brittle after the heat treat, so he mentioned that we had this old stuff called flame hold, it's hydrated magnesium silicate in a putty form. so i tried it... i coated the spine of the blade and tapered it out towards the edge, leaving about 1/4 inch of the edge visable. i hadn't done much research on the techniques yet, because i didn't expect to have anything with which to coat the blade. Didn't figure i could hurt the blade though, so i brought it up to heat with a very large rosebud held at nearly a foot away and kept it at a dull glow, then quenched it in 130 degree canola oil.
here's the blade after heat treating and two tempering cycles at 450. Didn't have a camera at work when i was doing the clay coating.
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took about 10 hours after the heat treat to finish off my grind... it turned out very hard to grind... was using a 120 grit ceramic belt on it and it still didn't want to remove much any material.. but i got the grind done up to 600 grit and then used a scotch brite pad to finish the polish, i wanted to keep my grind lines a bit. after that i taped the blade, then started applying epoxy and the scales... then i put the pins in with the epoxy still wet and peaned them over.
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after letting that set overnight i came in and started shaping the handle scales. i realised after i had them shaped that i never actually took a pic of the rough scales... but it's too late now... here's the pic of the scales roughed out and glued on.
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it was after this step that i started noticing faint lines in the blade... along where the original clay coating was... i really like the look... i finished sanding the scales down to 400 grit, then applied some red mahogany stain to the curly maple and after that set i soaked it in some watco danish oil and left it to dry overnight... then i used my buffing wheel to put a bit of a polish on the handle scales...
here's the phone pic where you can really see these (hamon maybe) lines...
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and here's the final product...
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thanks for looking... See... I was paying attention! lol... i'm much much happier with this knife... now i want to experiment with making a sheath for it...
 
Great work! Keep it up! This definitely gives me something to aspire towards. I am only on my second knife and I love seeing work in progresses.
 
yeah... was going for a line of pins down the thickest part of the handle... but by the time i shaped the handle down after glueing the scales down i ended up rounding it down further and just went with it... it doesn't look quite so off looking straight at it... but with the rounding of the scales it throws the look off when seen from an angle...
 
Very nice. I'm still getting my tools and supplies together and trying to clear a spot in the barn for a good work area. I cant wait to get started. I really like the looks of the knife. I really like the classic bushcraft kinda look.
 
Good job. As you are discovering, each knife will present a new thing to remember on the next one.
 
thanks for the compliments guys. I came in here with a grand skinner drawing and plan. After seeing all the times experienced makers suggested to newer guys to keep it simple and don't try such a complicated knife for the first time around, i decided to break down that first design into all it's individual parts, and try each part on a different knife. By the time i get all of these different knives made, and a few extra ones in between just for good measure, i should be ready to tackle my original grand design. I've got a possible source for some free kaowool here in town. so i might be making me a forge sooner than i had originally planned. and after making that, adding a pid control, and figuring out what this baffle you guys keep talking about is. I'll be able to do a more consistant heat treat, and do it at home.
 
Wonderful job, that's a great looking knife! How did it sharpen up? Also, I like how you gave it a light drop point style by using the taper of the file. :thumbup:
 
it sharpened very very slowly... i have a very coarse stone that i started with... and it still took me 5-6 hours to sharpen it to a proper edge... but it'll go straight through a piece of hanging paper... very happy with the edge... i started with my coarse stone, it's an aluminum oxide combination stone made in the peoples republic of china... i have the box it came in... came from a garage sale... and it's a bit worn... though the stone's almost perfect still... then the other side... then to a little bit finer stone, than a little bit finer, went through 4 different stones, two of which were combination stones... then to a ceramic rod, then a leather strop... and it's flat sharp... just a part of the reason i have over 30 hours into this knife...
 
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had my blade tested at work today... our QC dept. has a burnell machine and a vitori??? something like that... so i asked a friend over there to test the edge of my blade... just to see how my heat treat and temper ended up for hardness (i already know it's hard... but not how hard...) turns out, it tested to a 65 rockwell C... he was amazed at how hard that blade was!!! i was hoping for a 62 or 63... almost wondering if that isn't too hard... don't want to find out at the wrong time that it's going to chip... or break in half...
 
Yes, it is too hard...but there isn't much you can do about it unless you want to take off the handles. It should have been tempered back by baking in the kitchen oven at 450°F for two hours. The warm bucket of sand probably didn't do much at all.

Use the knife gently, as the edge will chip and the blade may snap if given rough use.
 
I don't know either... I put it on a baking stone, like was suggested here, left it in for two hours, ran it under water like bladsmith suggested, then put it back in for two more hours... Any suggestions?

The bucket of sand was for annealing... So it would cool slowly... I can't gauge it to tell when its 800 degrees... So I just left it in the hot sand for a day to cool...
 
figured i'd throw up a few pic's of my third knife on here too... don't figure it needs a whole new thread... it's a fairly simple skinner made out of 15N20 heat treated to 1475 degrees for 20 minutes, quenched in heated canola, and tempered at 410 for two cycles... the handle is dymond wood from jantz with corby bolts holding it all together and red spacer material behind the scales...

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yes... there are some deep scratches on the spine of the knife... the knife slipped while on my disc sander and got wedged between the tool rest and the disc... gouging it rather severely... i just flat could not sand it down far enough to get all of the scratches out... i took out half of my primary bevel on the blade just getting it to the point where i called it done, and then re ground my bevel to match the other side...

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