301 Birth Year?

TAH

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Nothing really stands out about this 301 other than it has two brass liners on the reverse side. I can tell you it was much more difficult to find one NIB than I expected. Is there any way to narrow down the year this one was manufactured? I know that it falls into the '74-'85 timeframe. Does the box and paperwork ever tell us anything?


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I have the same, but not in such good condition. What are the means of dating them available to us, anyway? Paperwork, perhaps? Marks on the box? That seems to be the best bet, I'd think.

Zieg
 
A good find and the model is in great shape. You may find a date on those papers. The stamp is 1973 and in 1984 Buck replaced the long pull nail nick. So that narrows it some. The number of brass spacers narrows it more. I'll acquiescence to Bert and Craig, et. al. for the rest. DM
 
I thought perhaps the year could be narrowed down by:

1) The box style and graphics.
2) Using the codes "SH-309" or "SH-304" that appears on the paperwork.
3) The amount of, or lack of, paperwork.
4) The eleventh bullet point that states, "Sharpening is available for $4.00" - did that fee change over the years?
 
A good find and the model is in great shape. You may find a date on those papers. The stamp is 1973 and in 1984 Buck replaced the long pull nail nick. So that narrows it some. The number of brass spacers narrows it more. I'll acquiescence to Bert and Craig, et. al. for the rest. DM

Thanks David. The knife is in amazing shape. There is no discoloring on the back springs inside and out.

There are no dates on the paperwork. I got the '74-'85 timeframe from 300Bucks' write-up in this thread.

"1974 - 1985, No scale rivets, BUCK, 301,USA on front tang, nothing on reverse, two versions - single brass scale liners and two liners on one side."
 
Here's a NIB 301 that is close to mine. I have the same green "Attention" paper with SH 304, but the box graphics are slightly different and the "Use and Care" paper is completely different and dated 1/80. So that suggests that my 301 might be from 1974-1979.


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Then we have a "Winchester" 301 with paperwork dated 4-4-72 and registration border is different than mine.


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TAH,

I think 1974-1985 is about as well as you are going to do. It's a great looking sample.

Bert
 
Thanks, Bert, you're probably right. Just seems that the Use and Care paper would offer some clues. In 1980, it obviously changed quite a bit, but I realize there was overlap.
 
"1974 - 1985, No scale rivets, BUCK, 301,USA on front tang, nothing on reverse, two versions - single brass scale liners and two liners on one side."

Is it known what year Buck went to two liners on one side?
 
I'm having a hard reading this thread and not thinking about the changes in the Billboard Top 20 during that time frame. John Denver and Donna Summers to Duran Duran and English Beat. How could a knife be the same in the face of all that change. The mind boggles.

Carry on.
 
How could a knife be the same in the face of all that change.

I agree! Camillus did a great job with consistency over that 11 year period. Dang knives look exactly the same. :mad: :D

John Denver Forever! :thumbup:
 
TAH,

The use of a spacer (two liners on one side) occurred throughout the Camillus production years. It was used to center blades because of some sloppiness in machining. Just about every year had some knives with spacers and some without.

Bert
 
I agree! Camillus did a great job with consistency over that 11 year period. Dang knives look exactly the same. :mad: :D

Nod. That's why I find traditional patterns so much more compelling. Some designs stand the test of time.
 
Another thing to help is the knowledge that the Al Buck message began in 1976. Unless it was added by someone later, any box with the message should indicate 1976 or later release.
 
That's good information, Larry. Now I will have to start going through boxes to check. Sometimes papers go missing, but it is a good clue.

Bert
 
The papers are like the Camillus tangs, they were used for several years. And were only changed a couple of times. It may be that the knife you are researching may been made around paper changes or while they were the same.

Unless you are 100% PLUS sure your box and papers are original then I would be cautious. I have encountered many, many NIB stated knives with incorrect papers, missing papers or non-original era box.

To be dead-dog sure of an exact year, you would have to have original papers and box and then know the dates of box and paper changes to go along with the tang stamps.

Joe Houser has written some BCCI newsletter articles on this situation.

Brass liner changes were only recorded by collectors and the Camillus factory. With the close-down of the factory and the death of a dedicated employee, the production order record cards have been destroyed. Collectors who would have recorded such details on these models back then were few and far between. I was in high school. Some old Buck records (not 300s) were lost during the factory moves. Some old computer tapes still existed at one time but no one had the old machinery to read them. Joe may have hidden them away for a archeologist to find.

Just as a side note, for the standard model pictured above it was shipped from Camillus to Buck in a Camillus supplied box with multiple knives wrapped in individual tissue paper. Buck then re-boxed them in Buck boxes. The two Winchester stamped models (301 and 311) were a special order of 1,000 each. Provided in a paper sleeve, given to Winchester employees as gifts and to give out by Winchester Reps as gifts to contacts. SMKWs may have gotten hold of some of them but I have never seen the advertisement in a SMKWs catalog if they did. If you find one in a Buck box it will likely be considered 're-boxed'. 300
 
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