301 Birth Year?

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First 301.
 
Larry Oden said:
Another thing to help is the knowledge that the Al Buck message began in 1976. Unless it was added by someone later, any box with the message should indicate 1976 or later release.
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Thanks Larry. That narrowed it down a little bit. :)



bertl said:
The use of a spacer (two liners on one side) occurred throughout the Camillus production years. It was used to center blades because of some sloppiness in machining. Just about every year had some knives with spacers and some without.
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300Bucks said:
Let me add, I follow Charles Toffts example and list the double liner as the 'later' version over the one liner. The one liner is then considered the earlier version.
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Thanks Bert and 300. Any guess as to what year is considered the start of the "later" version?
 
Have never attempted to ferret out to that singularity. I realize you would like to know the year for your collection, but I am clueless to that fine of a detail. You might go to the BF Collectors Forum and under the Camillus area ask your question explaining what you are trying to do and information you know. One of the old Camillus workers may have a opinion at least.....300
 
Based on information in this thread, I've reasonably narrowed it down to '76-'79, which is good enough for me. Thanks for everyone's help!
 
TAH said:
Then we have a "Winchester" 301 with paperwork dated 4-4-72 and registration border is different than mine.


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Someone added that knife and box together, the Winchester shield knives were done in 1982, and did not come in a box, they came in a small brown envelope.
 
TAH said:
Based on information in this thread, I've reasonably narrowed it down to '76-'79, which is good enough for me. Thanks for everyone's help!
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I would say 76 -79 is a good date. The 301 with 3 rivets in the handle came in that "4-4-72" box and paper-work.
I have about 20 of the Schrade / Buck and Camillus / Buck 301s; all NIB with most paper-work...
Just found your knife in my collection; paper-work is dated 1977....Ken

This post has some very good information in it.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29383
 
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In this political year I will rise to the occasion and admit my mistake. I need to be more careful in my 60+ years about talking off the top of my head. Bert remembered a post, by me, of the past and pointed out my "two-faced" statement on brass liners in Camillus contract Bucks. So, I must step to the podium and admit , Yes, Bert is correct. To the best of my 'notes' and younger brain writings the double liners have NOTHING to do with age of production.

They have to do with how the crinking (bend at the tang of two spring knives) machine was set up that day. The second liner is added to provide additional space in the blade well so the blades close without rubbing against each other. This occurred at NO regulated time, only when they needed to fit slightly over 'crinked' blades in the knife. The use of singles or doubles could have occurred in a particular run until the 'crinking' changed in a batch of blades. Remember, Camillus sometimes made 30.000 Bucks at a time.

So, please do not use double or single liners as a aging method. They are only 'variations' of a model version. However, to have a complete collection you would need to have both 'variations'.

300Bucks.
 
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Hi Old Mate 300Bucks:
As I'm not a Buck Collector, I have only a small collection of Bucks, mainly given to me by friends in the US.
Yesterday, wile looking through my Schrade and Camillus knives, I found an all most "white" Buck box.
All my other Camillus Buck knives came in the "off-white boxes".
The white box has a ruff texture and looks much the same as all the other boxes.
Do you have any info on that Box, and could it be the box for my 1966 Schrade 301 ... Ken
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300Bucks said:
In this political year I will rise to the occasion and admit my mistake. I need to be more careful in my 60+ years about talking off the top of my head. Bert remembered a post, by me, of the past and pointed out my "two-faced" statement on brass liners in Camillus contract Bucks. So, I must step to the podium and admit , Yes, Bert is correct. To the best of my 'notes' and younger brain writings the double liners have NOTHING to do with age of production.

They have to do with how the crinking (bend at the tang of two spring knives) machine was set up that day. The second liner is added to provide additional space in the blade well so the blades close without rubbing against each other. This occurred at NO regulated time, only when they needed to fit slightly over 'crinked' blades in the knife. The use of singles or doubles could have occurred in a particular run until the 'crinking' changed in a batch of blades. Remember, Camillus sometimes made 30.000 Bucks at a time.

So, please do not use double or single liners as a aging method. They are only 'variations' of a model version. However, to have a complete collection you would need to have both 'variations'.

300Bucks.
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A Moderator moderating himself. Now that is class, 300Bucks! Funny thing is, you just gave more great, detailed information on liners while clearing up your mistake. So, we won again! :p :thumbup:
 
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