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309 and 305 single spring
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Hi,
all the 2 blade 309 companion and 305 lancers were 1 springers. 1 exception to this... I think the 309 was made as a 3 blade whittler for a short time and used 2 springs. The 313 muskrat used a single spring too fwiw.
oh yeah, the 301 and 303 are and were 2 springers.
Correction- I did a search and it looks like the 309 with the added 3rd blade and 2nd spring actually was labeled the 310 whittler. Doh!
all the 2 blade 309 companion and 305 lancers were 1 springers. 1 exception to this... I think the 309 was made as a 3 blade whittler for a short time and used 2 springs. The 313 muskrat used a single spring too fwiw.
oh yeah, the 301 and 303 are and were 2 springers.
Correction- I did a search and it looks like the 309 with the added 3rd blade and 2nd spring actually was labeled the 310 whittler. Doh!
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My 309 is a 2 spring model.
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Information is pretty well stated...
The Clipper is 305 based but has two springs instead of one, one for blade and one for scissors, BUT it looks like three because one is not a spring but a SS liner made to extend past the bolster and form the hole for the key chain ring. The springs are different thicknesses.
The 310 Whittler is 309 based and has always had three springs, just like the other three bladed stockmen would.
The 310 has NOT been discontinued, was first made in 1994 as a project with SMKW for sale only by them, later Buck continued sales in 1998 thru 2000 and now Bass Pro Shops offers it only by them, sold in the sliding wooden box. Some 310s may come with 309 stamped blades. There rarest 310 is the Limited Edition Brown Jigged Bone.
When Buck took over manuf. of the 301,303,309 and 305 in 1985, everyblade gets a personal spring. Two blades two springs. Three blades three spring. The other models that were made by Camillus sailed on with as they were pre-85 until discontinued.
Here is photo of 303s, Camillus and Buck.
Anyone who comes to my 300 seminar at the Smokey Mountain Knife Works meeting next week will receive a PHd on all of this........
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The Clipper is 305 based but has two springs instead of one, one for blade and one for scissors, BUT it looks like three because one is not a spring but a SS liner made to extend past the bolster and form the hole for the key chain ring. The springs are different thicknesses.
The 310 Whittler is 309 based and has always had three springs, just like the other three bladed stockmen would.
The 310 has NOT been discontinued, was first made in 1994 as a project with SMKW for sale only by them, later Buck continued sales in 1998 thru 2000 and now Bass Pro Shops offers it only by them, sold in the sliding wooden box. Some 310s may come with 309 stamped blades. There rarest 310 is the Limited Edition Brown Jigged Bone.
When Buck took over manuf. of the 301,303,309 and 305 in 1985, everyblade gets a personal spring. Two blades two springs. Three blades three spring. The other models that were made by Camillus sailed on with as they were pre-85 until discontinued.
Here is photo of 303s, Camillus and Buck.
Anyone who comes to my 300 seminar at the Smokey Mountain Knife Works meeting next week will receive a PHd on all of this........
300Bucks
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David Martin
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Thanks for the info. and sales pitch 300 . It will be great I'm sure . Whats with the double liner on the one on the left ? Is that to put the blade into correct position ? I have a 317 with that . DM
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Ok, one more info moment....
The historic methodology of knife making included utilizing EXTRA brass liners, usually against the scale liner in the secondary blade (s) well. The was to allow a 'crinked' or bent blade to fit into well. When the knife design was made to fit two (or more) blades into a blade well with a single spring, one blade would be bent left and one right at the tang. Thus when they closed toward each other they would not rub. This was called 'crinked' for lack of a better word. Center brass liners function in a similar way by giving some space between blades . Sometimes due to bending at blade blank stamping or other manuf. issue even blades that owned there own spring and blade well would rub if spacer was not employeed. Remember these spacers are "cut-out" , they are not the shape of the knife body only of the spring.
Using three springs, one for each blade, keeps the axis of the blade in line with handle and the assembly cost of crinking vs three springs must be pretty close for Buck to do it.
Here is a photo looking into a 3 blade stockman blade well with offset or crinked secondary blades. Workman series 303.
Well, now two of my 90+ powerpoint screens are in the "used" condition.
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The historic methodology of knife making included utilizing EXTRA brass liners, usually against the scale liner in the secondary blade (s) well. The was to allow a 'crinked' or bent blade to fit into well. When the knife design was made to fit two (or more) blades into a blade well with a single spring, one blade would be bent left and one right at the tang. Thus when they closed toward each other they would not rub. This was called 'crinked' for lack of a better word. Center brass liners function in a similar way by giving some space between blades . Sometimes due to bending at blade blank stamping or other manuf. issue even blades that owned there own spring and blade well would rub if spacer was not employeed. Remember these spacers are "cut-out" , they are not the shape of the knife body only of the spring.
Using three springs, one for each blade, keeps the axis of the blade in line with handle and the assembly cost of crinking vs three springs must be pretty close for Buck to do it.
Here is a photo looking into a 3 blade stockman blade well with offset or crinked secondary blades. Workman series 303.
Well, now two of my 90+ powerpoint screens are in the "used" condition.
300Bucks
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