first of all thanks guys for your advices, for the knife i used a piece of old angle iron my neighbor gave me(she has a gigantic barn with all kinds of old stuff in there) acording to the spark test it seems to have a high carbon content, the sparks are alot different than a mower blade or rebar, first i had to aneal it to cut it then shape it, gave it the bevel then heat treated it, after the treating the file just glides off it, then the oven at 340 for 1 hour, did that twice, the pins are solid brass and the hole i put copper tubing thru, this sure taught me alot, i did it all with a grinder and a 1x30 hf belt grinder, the handles are red oak, they sell little slabs in lowes anyways tell me what u think and thanks



