4-Max concern

[Kwon Kwang]

So, I have one concern regarding not the release date, but the design of the 4-Max.

Cold Steel removed the steel liners from the Recon 1s, American Lawmen and AK-47s because they added significant weight without increasing strength. The linerless versions of these knives have been extensively tested; their quality and strength has been proven many times over by Cold Steel and users of their knives, forever confirming that G-10 is a very strong, reliable material that doesn't need liners to support it.

Why does the 4-Max have titanium liners under its G-10? I can't see the titanium adding much benefit, especially considering that, while lighter and offering more strength per unit of weight, it's still not as strong as steel. I can see these liners adding a lot of weight and a lot of cost to the knife without benefiting the user in any tangible way. Wouldn't the knife both be much lighter and more affordable without these titanium liners?

 

[Glenn056]

Because its a production version of the Demko 4 Max ,which has ti liners and cold steel wants to make it as similar as possible

 

[Glenn056]

Oh and because titanium has that "cool" factor

 

[Jonslaught]

So, I have one concern regarding not the release date, but the design of the 4-Max.

Cold Steel removed the steel liners from the Recon 1s, American Lawmen and AK-47s because they added significant weight without increasing strength. The linerless versions of these knives have been extensively tested; their quality and strength has been proven many times over by Cold Steel and users of their knives, forever confirming that G-10 is a very strong, reliable material that doesn't need liners to support it.

Why does the 4-Max have titanium liners under its G-10? I can't see the titanium adding much benefit, especially considering that, while lighter and offering more strength per unit of weight, it's still not as strong as steel. I can see these liners adding a lot of weight and a lot of cost to the knife without benefiting the user in any tangible way. Wouldn't the knife both be much lighter and more affordable without these titanium liners?

...because it is apart of their "Custom Classics" line and titanium liners and backspacer is a very high end feature that will be presented in the 4MAX. Weighing in at 9oz, the question of weight already willingly jumped to its death.

If they thought like you, they never would have have offered the titanium in the 1st place. They are offering them for this very reason I stated above.

 

[Mr.Tuesday]

Cold Steel removed the steel liners from the Recon 1s, American Lawmen and AK-47s because they added significant weight without increasing strength.

Did the steel liners really have no effect on those knives' strength? I always thought that they wanted to prioritize weight to make them more popular for every day carry.

 

[Glenn056]

Did the steel liners really have no effect on those knives' strength? I always thought that they wanted to prioritize weight to make them more popular for every day carry.

Those liners did provide some extra strength but not worth for the large extra amount of weight they possess as well,as since G10 itself is already a very strong material and much lighter

 

[DemkoKnives]

Typically no liners are needed for lock strength in the standard sized folders like a recon 1. The blades will almost always break before the g-10 or stop pin fails. However in the case of the 4max the blade tang and stop pin are larger so the added titanium greatly increases lock strength.

 

[Mr.Tuesday]

Typically no liners are needed for lock strength in the standard sized folders like a recon 1. The blades will almost always break before the g-10 or stop pin fails. However in the case of the 4max the blade tang and stop pin are larger so the added titanium greatly increases lock strength.

Thanks for the info. Personally I don't mind carrying heavier knives from time to time so I hope we see even more over-built knives like the 4 max from CS this year.

 

[Kwon Kwang]

Typically no liners are needed for lock strength in the standard sized folders like a recon 1. The blades will almost always break before the g-10 or stop pin fails. However in the case of the 4max the blade tang and stop pin are larger so the added titanium greatly increases lock strength.

Wow, I learned something new! Thanks for taking the time to comment, Mr. Demko.

 

[Glenn056]

Typically no liners are needed for lock strength in the standard sized folders like a recon 1. The blades will almost always break before the g-10 or stop pin fails. However in the case of the 4max the blade tang and stop pin are larger so the added titanium greatly increases lock strength.

Hearing this, i believe the 4 Max is gonna kick some RAO ass [emoji3]

 

[The Whip]

Hearing this, i believe the 4 Max is gonna kick some RAO ass [emoji3]

I suspect that you're right. But this is one folder that I don't want to see ANY test videos of until I own one. Once I've purchased a 4-MAX (or two) and am happily carrying one in my pocket, they can make all the destruction videos they want. But until then, I want every single 4-MAX available to be out on the shelves!

-Steve

 

[cbxer55]

I personally have no problem whatsoever with titanium liners. Whether or not the G-10 is strong on it's own is irrelevant to me. I like titanium, and having it for liners isn't going to hurt an thing. If it's a slight bit heavier, so be it. I doubt I would be able to feel the difference. But I am used to carrying heavy folders. So it's not going to stop me from buying one. For the price, IT BETTER HAVE TITANIUM LINERS! If it was just G-10 scales, for that price, I'd not even consider buying one.

 

[jbmonkey]

Over engineering never hurt any product yet. I wish more knives and products were made this way.

 

[Jonslaught]

God forbid ur in a position that u might lose it, you'll know if 9 oz is still in your pocket. +1

 

[rexromic]

I know lot's of people like brute strength of overbuilt knives but it is more about,blade steel,ease of sharpening,ease of cleaning,fit and finish,tolerances and overall quality of the knife.If anyone needs to abuse or do heavy work why don't just use the fixed blade.Knife is a cutting tool not a prying bar or a hammer.Common sense.Cheers.

 

[Seilu]

I know lot's of people like brute strength of overbuilt knives but it is more about,blade steel,ease of sharpening,ease of cleaning,fit and finish,tolerances and overall quality of the knife.If anyone needs to abuse or do heavy work why don't just use the fixed blade.Knife is a cutting tool not a prying bar or a hammer.Common sense.Cheers.

Fixed blades are not legal in most parts of the world. Most guys on here against overbuilt folders and talk about using fixed blades are older guys in rural areas who do not understand what a city/urban environment is like. A fixed blade will buy you free rent at the local jail.

 

[cbxer55]

Fixed blades are not legal in most parts of the world. Most guys on here against overbuilt folders and talk about using fixed blades are older guys in rural areas who do not understand what a city/urban environment is like. A fixed blade will buy you free rent at the local jail.

Exactly. Here in Oklahoma City, it's odd that you can carry a gun, open or concealed. But it's against the law to carry even a small fixed blade knife. And when you do, the comments you get almost make you wish you'd left it at home. "Who you planning on killing today with that knife on your belt?" Shit like that is common anytime you strap even a small fixed blade on your belt. It's really stupid.

 

[Seilu]

Exactly. Here in Oklahoma City, it's odd that you can carry a gun, open or concealed. But it's against the law to carry even a small fixed blade knife. And when you do, the comments you get almost make you wish you'd left it at home. "Who you planning on killing today with that knife on your belt?" Shit like that is common anytime you strap even a small fixed blade on your belt. It's really stupid.

Same here in California, a folder is somewhat ok depending on location/people, but if it's a fixed it suddenly seems "evil" and "weapon-like" than a folder.

 

[Kwon Kwang]

Same here in California, a folder is somewhat ok depending on location/people, but if it's a fixed it suddenly seems "evil" and "weapon-like" than a folder.

Hey, at least it's legal there, from what I understand. I wouldn't care about the comments if I could legally get away with carrying it. If I lived in Cali, I'd have an EDC rotation of large CS fixed blades to include my Gurkha Kukri, R1 MC, Outdoorsman, BBC, Leathernecks and Recon Tantos.

For now, the only fixed blade I carry on a regular basis is my Super Edge, always on my keychain. It's the least threatening fixed blade that I own (my girlfriend says it's "cute"), but even it still gets me "comments" from people. Don't care, though, as it's my most-used knife that I carry and it's too useful to leave at home.

 

[Seilu]

Hey, at least it's legal there, from what I understand. I wouldn't care about the comments if I could legally get away with carrying it. If I lived in Cali, I'd have an EDC rotation of large CS fixed blades to include my Gurkha Kukri, R1 MC, Outdoorsman, BBC, Leathernecks and Recon Tantos.

For now, the only fixed blade I carry on a regular basis is my Super Edge, always on my keychain. It's the least threatening fixed blade that I own (my girlfriend says it's "cute"), but even it still gets me "comments" from people. Don't care, though, as it's my most-used knife that I carry and it's too useful to leave at home.

It's really only legal in rural or light suburban areas. Carry a fixed blade in LA or SF and you'll get the LAPD/SFPD on your ass. I've heard of people spending the night in jail since they carried a 3.2in folder in SF

You really have to live here to understand the atmosphere. There are many young liberals who shriek at the sight of any "weapon" and they love calling the cops about every little thing. My friend had the cops called on him since he had a 2nd amendment bumper sticker and the woman behind him on the hwy followed him for 10min and called the cops stating he probably had illegal weapons.