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No, it's the .45 colt. I stand correct, thanks
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.410 as a survival gun
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Some weapons are chambered for both .45LC and .410. No problem shooting .45 Colt in those, naturally. But , be careful. It's a bad idea to shoot .45 colt out of a .410, since many .410 barrels choke down to less than the diameter of a .45 Colt bullet?
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20 ga is almost always a better choice for everything than the .410. You can get loads that are almost as light, but can also buy MUCH heavier and more powerful loads. 20 ga Brenneke slugs will shoot holes through most any critter in North America a close range. Ammo is more plentiful and cheaper.
Good article on .410 shotgun.
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Then a .357 Trapper style lever action would be my choice for a "general purpose" woods gun.
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Just looking at these .410 buckshot loads, I think .410 may be a reasonable for SD, particularly for those unable to reliably handle a bigger gun.
The problem is that in the old days, some calibers were measured are measured from land to land (the raised part of the rifling) and some are measured at the greatest diameter in the valleys of the rifling. So the same roughly 9mm bullet might be called .357 if measured one way and .38 (Special) if measured another. And they rounded up sometimes too.
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Maybe.....
The older cartridges were "heel" based, like .22 rimfires are now. That is, the bullet diameter was the same as the cartridge case, as the reduced diameter base or heel of the bullet was crimped into the case for retention.
These bullets often had their lube on the outside of the bullet that was outside the case. .38 Special being one of these, as it was introduced in 1902.
The .357 was introduced in 1935. Along the way, the lube was placed in a bullet groove that was covered by the case. The bullet was no longer as wide as the case was. When this was applied to the .38 Special, the identical bullets were used.
The 9mm is metric. The decimal equivalent happens to be about .355
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The older cartridges were "heel" based, like .22 rimfires are now. That is, the bullet diameter was the same as the cartridge case, as the reduced diameter base or heel of the bullet was crimped into the case for retention.
These bullets often had their lube on the outside of the bullet that was outside the case. .38 Special being one of these, as it was introduced in 1902.
The .357 was introduced in 1935. Along the way, the lube was placed in a bullet groove that was covered by the case. The bullet was no longer as wide as the case was. When this was applied to the .38 Special, the identical bullets were used.
The 9mm is metric. The decimal equivalent happens to be about .355
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Pardon my ignorance and my contribution to thread-hijack, but can you shoot .38 Specials from a .357 magnum lever gun? I was toying with the idea of getting an inexpensive, versatile type of gun and this seemed like a good option (especially if I get a revolver in that caliber some day).
All I have now are a pair of .22s (good rifle and awful pistol). I wouldn't mind having something with more oomph.
All I have now are a pair of .22s (good rifle and awful pistol). I wouldn't mind having something with more oomph.
Yes, at least with all the .357 rifles with which I am familiar. Post a specific in case you have something odd in mind. There are some levers (and pumps), however, that don't like the typical wide mouthed HP in either .357 or .38. The Rossi comes to mind. Also keep in mind that you could well be pushing the bullet at 500 fps faster than out of some pistols, say a 1 3/4 inch snub nose. The bullet may not be designed for that and may fragment out of the rifle. I've played around with a pistol caliber carbine on many occasions, but every time I have decided that if I'm going to carry something that weighs as much as a centerfire rifle, it will be in a centerfire rifle caliber.
I've veered seriously off course, for which I apologize. .410 ok, 20 g much better.
I read someplace many years ago, that a .410 slug has about as much power as a .357 round out of a revolver. I don't know it thats really true, but if it is, or even close then the .410 would have more versitility than a .357 revolver and not have the hastle of a handgun in some locations. I know a .410 does not get much attention in some quarters, but a .45 caliber round ball hitting a target with about the same velocity of a equal size round ball out of a Kentucky rifle would be nothing to sneeze at.
Strong second here for the 20 gauge as opposed to the 410. You can obtain a "youth" model single shot 20 gauge which is very small and light with a much wider option of shells dependent upon your desired task than the 410. And while you could use a .45 colt in "some" 410 firearms in a pinch (i.e., the single shots or the double barrels that are made well, and the derringer specially designed), I wouldn't expect any accuracy or much life out of the weapon for it.
I've seen some folks do amazing things with a 410, but think of how much more they could do with a 20 gauge, and be more sure about the other things that stretch out the limits of the 410.
But, hey, that's just me.
Maybe this? http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/index.htm
I'm not necessarily with you on the versatility aspect: 1 shot vs. 6 shots makes a difference.
That may have been it.
The problem is that in some places, like where Riley is from, he can't have a handgun. For a knock about camp gun, a shotgun is a low profile leagal gun to have, and will take a rabbit or squirel, or at night load a slug in it and you have something that can defend you. A handgun will just land him in jail.
There's only 5 pellets in those. Given that this is probably an open cylinder (since it can fire .45 Long Colt), the "pattern" will get pretty wide in just a few yards. Probably not gonna get more than 1 or 2 pellets on target at 15-25 yards. Maybe NONE at longer ranges.
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From a self defens perspective I probably wouldn't consider even attempting to shoot another person unless They were shooting at me or my family or they had a different weapon and were inside of 30 feet...I worked as an adrenaline state self defense instructor for a while and have given these types of ecenarios some thought...mostly I'm looking for a nice camp gun that's low maintenace can put some meat in the pot if I want and as a very dead last concern if the dude from "Hills have eyes shows up" I just want have a little something extra...my normal hunting gun is a 20 gauge double barrel sxs I like it a bunch...it's a little heavy and 25 20 guage shells takes up alot more room than 25 .410's I looked into the remington spartan combo gun in .22 over .410 I really want one but for some reason my dealer is having a hard time getting his hands on one
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Well, NYC just sucks, gun-law-wise.......
MOST of us don't have that problem.
For me, if I HAD to limit myself to a long gun for an "all round" woodsgun, I'd still go with a .357 lever action.
As for as "low profile," there aren't too many guns that say "friendly" like a western style lever action. Hell, John Wayne had one, so how bad could it be?
For defense, I'd much prefer a .357 lever action over any and all .410 shotguns, especially single shot .410's. It holds 10 or more shots, has little kick and can be fired pretty rapidly. It has a range of 125 yds or so, which should cover typical violent encounters, but is short enough to wield quickly up close.
If the choice were a .410 or a .357 revolver, it's still an easy pick: The versatile, concealable, quickly reloadable revolver.
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MOST of us don't have that problem.
For me, if I HAD to limit myself to a long gun for an "all round" woodsgun, I'd still go with a .357 lever action.
As for as "low profile," there aren't too many guns that say "friendly" like a western style lever action. Hell, John Wayne had one, so how bad could it be?
For defense, I'd much prefer a .357 lever action over any and all .410 shotguns, especially single shot .410's. It holds 10 or more shots, has little kick and can be fired pretty rapidly. It has a range of 125 yds or so, which should cover typical violent encounters, but is short enough to wield quickly up close.
If the choice were a .410 or a .357 revolver, it's still an easy pick: The versatile, concealable, quickly reloadable revolver.
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