4116 Krupp edge retention test.

I consider 4116 as being very similar in performance to SAK steel. High corrosion resistance, good toughness, moderate edge retention, high ease of sharpenability.
 
I thought the test was pretty decent. What makes the Krupps a bit above average is the vanadium in it. That is why I think it cuts so well. I don't own a Krupps steel knife but I am pretty well satisfied with the results of this test if I ever decide to get a knife with it. As for thicker cardboard and what not, give me a break. It did well on a pizza box by along shot. What I'm going to go out and get some double wall thickness 150lb breaking strength to test a knife? Sometimes folks on here don't make sense when it comes to testing a knife. It cut up a bunch of cardboard very well, that's the bottom line. The rest of you folks can't stand to see a CS product do well no matter what me thinks even one of there cheap knives. keepem sharp
 
longbow said:
I thought the test was pretty decent. What makes the Krupps a bit above average is the vanadium in it. That is why I think it cuts so well. I don't own a Krupps steel knife but I am pretty well satisfied with the results of this test if I ever decide to get a knife with it. As for thicker cardboard and what not, give me a break. It did well on a pizza box by along shot. What I'm going to go out and get some double wall thickness 150lb breaking strength to test a knife? Sometimes folks on here don't make sense when it comes to testing a knife. It cut up a bunch of cardboard very well, that's the bottom line. The rest of you folks can't stand to see a CS product do well no matter what me thinks even one of there cheap knives. keepem sharp
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4116 has .15% Vanadium in it for grain refinement, there isn't enough to make any difference in performance.

It's really nothing but a cheap and or low cost steel and nothing more than that.
 
Yah its cheap. But I like it. Just like 8cr13mov, 14c28n, VG-10 ect. They arnt expensive or fancy. But I still like em for edc uses. I love higher end stuff as well. But im getting to the point that as long as the knife isnt real expensive. The steel should suit my needs. Im npt going to be a steel snob.
 
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Ease of sharpenability is high and the stock is thin which helps keep it slicing. This is a great little knife. Thanks for the video.
 
Ankerson said:
It's really nothing but a cheap and or low cost steel and nothing more than that.
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That evaluation make me think....
This type of stainless steel becomes extremely sharp & takes a coarse edge well too....Personally I love 2 fact, 1# works well #2 ain't as expensive as some crap out there.





Steel130 Nice test Thanks.
 
kurodrago said:
That evaluation make me think....
This type of stainless steel becomes extremely sharp & takes a coarse edge well too....Personally I love 2 fact, 1# works well #2 ain't as expensive as some crap out there.





Steel130 Nice test Thanks.
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Take the cost factor out of it and just look at straight performance compared to other steels and we have what is called reality without BS, opinions etc. ;)

It's not even in the same class as steels like N690 and VG-10...... Not exactly expensive steels here either by the way.

It is in the same class as 420HC.....

Steels don't perform just because we want them to, they either perform or they don't due to the alloy content, HT and tempering process.

That's the difference between BS and facts.
 
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Ankerson said:
Take the cost factor out of it and just look at straight performance compared to other steels and we have what is called reality without BS, opinions etc. ;)

It's not even in the same class as steels like N690 and VG-10...... Not exactly expensive steels here either by the way.

It is in the same class as 420HC.....

Steels don't perform just because we want them to, they either perform or they don't due to the alloy content, HT and tempering process.

That's the difference between BS and facts.
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"X50CrMoV15 also Known as Krupp 4116"

It just shows how many people are speaking from perception and not experience. Now I am not saying that you can not find such blades with low performance (12C27, etc.) as those steels are used on some cheap knives, but you can not dismiss the steel out of hand as a poor knife steel (and all the similar steels, like 440A, Krupp, AUS-6A, etc.) and then say 52100 is a great steel. Verhoeven measured the edge holding of 12C27 vs 52100 and found as expected that 12C27 was superior.
This is one of the largest sources of bias in the online knife community. For some reason stainless steels have to have a high carbide volume to be considered high end but alloy and tool steels do not. It is just maker promotion as you can't forge high carbide steels well so all the ABS guys will use very low alloy/carbide steels for practical reasons. Snobbism and BS have the place too, but credential its a different story "S30V its expensive & crap if talk to me"
 
I never said 4116 was a "great" steel. My exact words were " Its no slouch. Great budget steel. ". Implying as a budget steel it works well. Obviously its not in the same class as vg10, I never said it was. I said vg10 was a cheaper steel as well. No in performance but price. By the way I'm not trying to argue with you Ankerson. I know 4116 is nothing great. But as a light duty knife. Example cutting some thin cardboard. Its not going to dull in two cuts. Its easy to sjarpen which is nice and it takes a good edge. It wont hold it long for sure.
 
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For example....
CPM-S90V may have a great edge retention, but also may crack under my teeth...right?
In a fix of 10" made 4116 Krupp vs 10" made of CPM-S90V.....4116 Krupp will out perfom CPM-S90V on chopping.....especially in cold temperatures.
Wich one the 2 it's a supersteel? wich of the 2 is more expensive?:eek:;):D
 
kurodrago said:
"X50CrMoV15 also Known as Krupp 4116"

It just shows how many people are speaking from perception and not experience. Now I am not saying that you can not find such blades with low performance (12C27, etc.) as those steels are used on some cheap knives, but you can not dismiss the steel out of hand as a poor knife steel (and all the similar steels, like 440A, Krupp, AUS-6A, etc.) and then say 52100 is a great steel. Verhoeven measured the edge holding of 12C27 vs 52100 and found as expected that 12C27 was superior.
This is one of the largest sources of bias in the online knife community. For some reason stainless steels have to have a high carbide volume to be considered high end but alloy and tool steels do not. It is just maker promotion as you can't forge high carbide steels well so all the ABS guys will use very low alloy/carbide steels for practical reasons. Snobbism and BS have the place too, but credential its a different story "S30V its expensive & crap if talk to me"
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I never said it was crap steel. ;)

There are a lot of low alloy steels that get used for various reasons, that doesn't mean they are crap, junk ect.

There is a direct effect of Alloy content and price here.

Alloy content = Price

So as the alloy content increases the price will also increase.

Same with Alloy Content to Performance, in this case Edge retention.

So Alloy Content = Edge retention (Performance).

While not dismissing the lower alloy steels because they do have their place in the large picture people have to be careful not to make them sound like more than they really are in the end.

The cost factor seems to get mentioned a lot when it comes to people's opinions/reviews on knives, that really has no place in that discussion when talking about performance.

In the end most people would do fine with an SAK for general EDC tasks that most folders really get used for.

So while I am not saying that everyone needs a knife in S90V just to get by, I am saying that steels like 4116 just won't do in some situations or lets say perform to the same level as S90V will, or even VG-10 for that matter.

End use has a lot to do with what steel is really needed and that will vary depending on use and or what the users need or want.
 
Good post. Good points. I was wondering and this is somewhat off topic. Is RC hardness the only type of hardness steel has? Like it seems that cheaper steels are usually more prone to bending and denting. And more expensive steels are more prone to chip or snap. Is that just coming down to alloy contents?
 
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Good post. Good points. I was wondering and this is somewhat off topic. Is RC hardness the only type of hardness steel has? Like it seems that cheaper steels are usually more prone to bending and denting. And more expensive steels are more prone to chip or snap. Is that just coming down to alloy contents?
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It's not just the hardness, it's the tempering process also.

That would be a long drawn out discussion......
 
kurodrago said:
For example....
CPM-S90V may have a great edge retention, but also may crack under my teeth...right?
In a fix of 10" made 4116 Krupp vs 10" made of CPM-S90V.....4116 Krupp will out perfom CPM-S90V on chopping.....especially in cold temperatures.
Wich one the 2 it's a supersteel? wich of the 2 is more expensive?:eek:;):D
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Believe me they can make choppers out of S90V that will hold up to that type of use, it all depends on how the blade is tempered etc.

There are other options that would be a better fit though, making a chopper out of S90V would be a waste of good steel.
 
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It looked like you cut the cardboard with the back part of the edge , then the phone book paper with the front part .



Make a couple of lines with a marker pen to guide you next time.

1234,,,,,:)
 
For the most part I was making full cuts with the knife. Part of it could be the camera angle. It was behind me some. However this was my first go so I have some practice still. Thanks for the reply :). And tip.
 
Steel130 said:
For the most part I was making full cuts with the knife. Part of it could be the camera angle. It was behind me some. However this was my first go so I have some practice still. Thanks for the reply :). And tip.
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Practice makes perfect !

Looking forward to your next video !

1234,,,,,:)
 
Ankerson said:
Believe me they can make choppers out of S90V that will hold up to that type of use, it all depends on how the blade is tempered etc.

There are other options that would be a better fit though, making a chopper out of S90V would be a waste of good steel.
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That's my pint.
To think that a more common cheap steel will do better on choppin its ridiculous...but true.
The more common cheap steel will have much more great balance in performance tham many supersteel out there.
End of the line 440A, will do verry well on Fix blade and folder but, we can not say the same thing for S90V.
The only super thing about supersteel its the price to build them...
 
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