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Cookies Week 38 - Kizer Gingrich Bush

420hc and 440c steels

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by ilikecheapknives, Mar 19, 2016.

  1. Mar 19, 2016 #1
    ilikecheapknives

    ilikecheapknives

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    How do these compare?I'm buying a new knife and I can't afford high end steels.Do te steels old an edge for long or is 440A better?
     
  2. Mar 19, 2016 #2
    michaelm466

    michaelm466 Gold Member Gold Member

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    440C will have better edge holding when comparing the exact same blade with good heat treatments
     
  3. Mar 19, 2016 #3
    ilikecheapknives

    ilikecheapknives

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    Mar 19, 2016
    Thanks.
     
  4. Mar 19, 2016 #4
    AdamFuzzyballs

    AdamFuzzyballs

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    440C used to be the high end:)
     
  5. Mar 19, 2016 #5
    G. Scott H.

    G. Scott H. Gold Member Gold Member

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    Yep. I remember back in the '80s when 440C was the shiz. :D It's still a very good everyday user steel, though it's been surpassed in different areas by different subsequent steels. :thumbup:
     
  6. Mar 19, 2016 #6
    Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker Gold Member Gold Member

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    440C>420HC>440A in my opinion. 12c27, AUS8 and 8cr13mov are also respectable budget steels.
     
  7. Mar 19, 2016 #7
    knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

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    I disagree.
    440C>440A>420HC at when hardened to the same hardness.
     
  8. Mar 19, 2016 #8
    Insipid Moniker

    Insipid Moniker Gold Member Gold Member

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    That's fair, my experience with 420HC is largely Buck and my experience with 440A is either Jarbenza type knives or cheap kitchen cutlery, so quality has likely played a significant role in my perception. :)
     
  9. Mar 19, 2016 #9
    abbazaba

    abbazaba Gold Member Gold Member

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    440c is a good thing in any budget knife, and better than 8cr and even Aus-8 IMHO. 440a sucks, VG10 and Sandvik 14c28n are better than 440c IMHO.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2016
  10. Mar 20, 2016 #10
    mveach

    mveach

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    I have 5 kershaw knives with 4 different blade alloys. They are all good. 1 is 420hc. The tempering and blade geometry along with the ergonomic handle, make it a very good slicer and is equally suited to push or pull cutting. While not even an upper mid range steel, a very useful inexpensive steel.
     
  11. Mar 20, 2016 #11
    Hickory n steel

    Hickory n steel Basic Member Basic Member

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    Bucks 420HC is my favorite edc steel.
     
  12. Mar 20, 2016 #12
    ursamajor

    ursamajor

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    AUS8 has that there Vanadium in it. It is more wear resistant than 440c. In the best examples I have used with both Steels, AUS8 took a better edge and held it longer. 440c is more stain resistant though.
     
  13. Mar 20, 2016 #13
    knarfeng

    knarfeng senex morosus moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

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    No way. I've done side-by-side testing cutting manila rope. At the same hardness, 440C outperformed AUS8 by a sizeable margin.
    http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...tainless-alloys-using-a-visual-inspection-tec

    At 0.2%, there is only enough Vanadium in AUS 8 for grain refinement. It is an insufficient amount to generate enough carbides to affect wear resistance.
     
  14. Mar 20, 2016 #14
    Wolverine666

    Wolverine666 Gold Member Gold Member

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    I bought a new Buck 124 just a few weeks ago and I love it. I haven't had the chance to really put the 420HC blade to the test yet. Just wondering why it's your favorite EDC steel.
     
  15. Mar 20, 2016 #15
    Dean51

    Dean51 Gold Member Gold Member

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    I would rank either of these 440C, 9Cr18MoV as holding an edge better than 420HC.
     
  16. Mar 20, 2016 #16
    nick21

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    440a has a very poor reputation due to being commonly used in Jarbenzas and other no-name knives
     

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