420HC test results

lot of numbers .... but i got lost in the wording ...
short information form please ... remember i got small brain and it leaks some ..
 
This should be more readable - position based on edge retention:

1. Dozier heat treated D2.
2. SwampRat SR101 (52100)
3. J.P.Holmes CPM 10V
4. Yuna knives ZDP189
5. Fehrman R3V (CPM 3V)
6. G-Sakai SRS15
7. Kershaw CPM S30V
8. Buck 420HC
9. Busse INIFI
10. Benchmade M2
11. Ivan Kirpichev Bulat (wootz)
12. Kiku Matsuda OU31
13. Diamond Knives Friction Forged D2.
14. Kershaw Sandvic 1326
15. Fallkniven 3G (SGPS)
16. RosArms 110x18
17. CRKT AUS8
18. Kershaw SG2
19. Benchmade D2

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Wow - that must have been a labour of love - interesting to see the Buck come up higher than a whole bunch of much more expensive knives but you've just confirmed that type of steel alone does not give a true picture of a knife's capabilities - so much depends on the heat treat

I was lusting after a diamondblade but I think you've just cured me
 
The lowly Buck 420HC beat Busse INFI? Cool. Very cool indeed. I do recall that blade shape and width is what cuts, not type of steel. Enter the mystery Swiss steel.
 
Tony_A said:
Google translate version:

http://translate.google.com/transla...-Rope-Results.html&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en

So D2 steel came in first, 13th, and last place?

If it's accurate, I'd guess that shows geometry (and heat treat) play a larger role than steel type.
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Well I already translated second article, you may just start reading from second one...

More info is here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589139

2 lsstaipei

I think this test does not affected by blade geometry - only edge angle and steel + HT, but not grind, thickness etc - I wrote about it more in that discussion.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Silverdagger said:
The lowly Buck 420HC beat Busse INFI? Cool. Very cool indeed. I do recall that blade shape and width is what cuts, not type of steel. Enter the mystery Swiss steel.
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This list is not too accurate as a nature of tests, so I can not say that it beat its close neighbor - they are about same in this particular limits - 200 cuts of 1/2" manila rope from hair whittling sharpness. Busse positioning INFI for different tasks and may be cutting 1000 times will be an adequate load to see its quality.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
I started testing with another Buck 110 Custom shop BG42. I have in line as well Buck 110 Alaskan Guide with CPM S30V and Buck 110 BassPro CPM154.

Results so far pretty good.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Silverdagger said:
The lowly Buck 420HC beat Busse INFI? Cool. Very cool indeed. I do recall that blade shape and width is what cuts, not type of steel. Enter the mystery Swiss steel.
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It beat out benchmades M2 as well, which is one of the best edgeholding steels I've ever used. It's usually run around rc 62-64. Geometry is definately the deciding factor here. I'm more surprised that anything beat out zdp and 10v, I figured those had enough inherent ability to beat 52100 and d2 regardless of geometry.
 
I am not sure about geometry. Edge has same angle and anything else is not really involved in rope and thread cut. It may be edge thickness which affects how pressure spreaded inside edge and because of this deforms bit different on micro level, for example with negative concave grid side of the edge kind of deforms more then center - something like this, but other then this I can not think about anything elde. BM Ares and 710 I have have pretty thin edge - thiner then Yuna or Dozier or Fehrman or Busse, same as Buck and does not shoe good results.

From other hand my test expose high sharpness evolution, on relatively light load. Who knows? Can you do similar test with your M2 and see may be I just have two bad BM knives?

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. But most likely this is just excellent Buck heat treatment.
 
My father, back in 1999, really taxed our folks to regain a leadership position in edge retention. We knew steel and hardness was critical but our studies surprised us with how much geometry played in edge retention so we changed our entire blade process from fabrication through assembly and Edge 2000 (or Edge 2x as we call it now) was born.

I would love to see how some high end steel buck's perform against others high end steel blades. As you stated the heat treat is also a huge factor and we continue to get noticed from the folks who supply each steel that we consistently get better results then they expected for their steels...Here's to the Bos factor....
 
Nozh, how were you measuring edge retention? I understand you cut manila rope 200 times. But then what?
 
CJ Buck said:
My father, back in 1999, really taxed our folks to regain a leadership position in edge retention. We knew steel and hardness was critical but our studies surprised us with how much geometry played in edge retention so we changed our entire blade process from fabrication through assembly and Edge 2000 (or Edge 2x as we call it now) was born.

I would love to see how some high end steel buck's perform against others high end steel blades. As you stated the heat treat is also a huge factor and we continue to get noticed from the folks who supply each steel that we consistently get better results then they expected for their steels...Here's to the Bos factor....
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What does prevents you to posting your test results?
Why can not you join super steel race and give steel junkies like me opportunity to have another super-steel to treasure? Like this new Vanadium-Niobium-Cobalt CPM S110V?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
In spite of the promotional nature,that's the CARTA data published by BUCK.You can also find the CARTA results of E2X BG42 and ATS34 in the same thread,too.I guess you want the E2X S30V and CPM154 CARTA results?I'm interested,too.It will be good to know the results.
 
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