420m??

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BG42EDGE said:
And "customize" instead of "customized."

and "Buffalo Horn" with a pic of what looks like a stag knife? I'm gonna need that one explained, too.

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Then I'll 'splain it to you myself. The seller showed the stag knife with two different COA's, one of which is the correct one. The sellers mistake, not Leroy's.

You don't proof read so well yourself.:D
 
Hey, I didn't say the "Buffalo Horn" was Leroy's mistake (good thing, too--he had more than enough mistakes in his COAs).

:D

After all, Leroy is not the seller (or if he is the real seller, he commissioned a good writer to write the auction description).

Yes, the seller is the one who messed up the pictures and had it looking like there might be both stag and buff on the same knife......somehow.......(along with repeating the "420M" error--which should have been 420HC).

All of which is not that tough to see once you take a good look at it.

Kind of like proofreading (which I do well).

:)
 
Just because a blade has a recent date stamp doesn't mean it has to be 420HC.

I have two in front of me, a 2007 Bass Pro 110 with CPM-154 and a 2008 AG 110 with S30V. Both are stamped with the standard tang stamp with the date stamp for the year they were made. There was a recent thread where a person had an uncoated AG 186 blade, so they were stamped before coating. If anyone would have access to and possibly use such unusual blades as that it would be Leroy due to his connection with Buck.

I'm not saying that the blade in question is either one of those steels or that it's anthing other than 420HC. I'm only making the point that just because it has a recent date stamp dosen't mean it absolutely has to be 420HC. As someone on the forum is so fond of saying, Buck does lots of strange things that are never made public.
 
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True, but highly unlikely.

IF the blade was of some unusual or exotic steel it would have been used as a selling point.

Since it wasn't, it's like I said before.......no doubt just a typo or senior moment or both--where 420HC and 425M were sort of jumbled together.
 
True, but again, highly unlikely.

Good to keep looking for interesting stuff, though.

:)
 
Yep, such as "Universal Cyclops material grade 441 modified". It was used for some Buck slippy blades back in '86.
 
New hypothesis..... somebody involved was enjoying a little too much 420THC somewhere along the line during the process. ;)
 
i've been looking for a while to figure out what exactly 420m is since i saw it listed for the ontario m9 bayonet. all i can find is ontario listing it as 420 modified, but i have no idea what the modification is, but they have it listed separately from HC.
 
There is no 420M, at least for Buck.

There is 420HC and 425M (or Mod).

The 420M mentioned in the auction was apparently a typo or a juxtaposition of letters and numbers accidentally creating a new steel that Buck doesn't offer.
 
Looking for entertainment, I did a forum search on 420M steel. There were numerous hits. At least two, I got bored and quit reading after a while, talked about the 420HC/420M family of steels. So lets just call 420M, HC's country cousin.

But, I also saw two threads where the writers said there was no 420M listed on any steel "charts" they knew about. Go figure......

I've never heard about it, but I have never been to New Jersey either....300
 
Knowing Leroy...I'm surprised there arent more typos on that letter! :rolleyes:
His skill is making knives and telling stories, that fact no one can deny!
 
Joe Houser said:
Knowing Leroy...I'm surprised there arent more typos on that letter! :rolleyes:
His skill is making knives and telling stories, that fact no one can deny!
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Yep......and he's not the only one--that's why I said in Post #Four, "The guys who are so skilled in hammering and grinding on knives are often not so good at the details of writing them up."

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I had a discussion with Leroy this last weekend at the Pasadena show about the issue of the steel type on the COA's. It came to mind again after I got my new Club fundraiser 110 that's a collaboration done by Leroy and WBC. The COA for it also says it's 420M. From the discussion I gathered that, no it's not a typo on his part and that in his mind, all the standard blade steel (425M and 420HC) used since 440C was dropped is a modified version of 420 steel.

He's going to make up a new COA for my knife with 420HC on it for me and perhaps he will change them all in the future in order to put a stop to the confusion and speculaton.
 
Not at all and he still doesn't consider it an error, confusing to less informed folks maybe, but not an error. Having spent a large portion of the day with him, he's alot further away from having any senior moments than most people I know. He's well aware of the difference in 425M and 420HC. He just had his own way of describing the different 420 family of steels and that was it, 420M.

I also said "perhaps" he will change that in the future. Those were my words and thoughts, not Leroy's.
 
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I think 420hc is easier to use/make in their blanking operations as well. Cheaper and more effecient manufacturing without giving away much if anything in blade performance

Edit: Oopps, seems I'm way late to this conversation.
 
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