5 pin 110?

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Ryan Shackleton

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I've seen a couple old 110s for sale lately with an extra pin in the handle-on the lock end of the scale, between and slightly in front of the other two pins. Is there any significance to this handle style? Had never seen one before, now I've seen three in the last 6 months.
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These were the last of the two pin 110 parts that were used when the extra pins were added. Buck filled all the pin holes in the scales these are called transition 110's.
2 pin 110s and one 3 pin 110
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4 pin version, commonly called transition 110 (transition from 2 scale pins to 3)


112's also

JB
 
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That is a Two Dot Variation 2. Two extra scale pins were added because of movement of the wood scales; however, the original hole was in scales from the previous variation, so the extra handle pin was used until the older scales were used up. If you look at the inside of later two dot knives with only three scale pins, you are likely to see a hole in the frame where the fourth pin had been used. The 1st variation had two scale pins; the 2nd variation had four pins; and the 3rd variation had three pins.

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Bert
 
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Yes, I agree. The story I got from Joe was these frames came with those 4 holes in them and it was decided to use a pin in each hole to determine whether it held better. Later it was determined that 2 large pins in the rear and 1 in the front worked the best. So, a transition. DM
 
I remember hearing there were less than a 5 gallon pail of frames for both the 110and 112 . I would guess 500 to 700 total of each model. I started searching for a 5 pin 112 in 2007 and even though I bought a new one from Joe Houser in 2008 since then I have only seen one, 1 new in box 5 pin 112and I can't recall seeing a NIB 110 but one or two might have passed by me. Someone here has dozens of 5 pin 112's . Rare and they always sell at a premium.
 
My recollection of the numbers made is similar to what Bucksway said...Joe H. said that back in 1974, Buck had a couple of pails of the frames to use up, less than 1,000 total 110 & 112 combined. After 45 years of attrition, you gotta figure only a small fraction are still around that are in good condition.

When thinking about price, I'd look at the common 50th 110. Buck sold 200,000 of those (in various forms) and most are still in almost new condition. Even without the box and sheath, the most common of them often sell for $50. So, what's a fair "collector" value of the aforementioned "rare" variety...10x? Just my opinion, I'm not selling one!
 
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drei3ree said:
When thinking about price, I'd look at the common 50th 110. Buck sold 200,000 of those (in various forms) and most are still in almost new condition. Even without the box and sheath, the most common of them often sell for $50. So, what's a fair "collector" value of the aforementioned "rare" variety...10x? Just my opinion, I'm not selling one!
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My 50th anniversary 110 is somewhere in Iraq with a broken blade. My brother needed a knife to take with him and I gave him what I had on my belt. He broke the blade and bought me a replacement(non-50th model). Happy he replaced it, happier he came home, but I wish he'd known how easy it would have been to get a new blade.
 
Leroy Remer told me that there were very few 112s made with the four pin configuration.
I forget the number he mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it was less than 300 of the 112s.
He also said there wasn't that many 110 4 pins, but that there were quite a few more made than the 112s...again, I don't remember the specific number he mentioned.

I believe Bert is right on the mark from what I know of these.

Below is my collection of that variation in 110s and 112s.

Here are my 110s in all conditions from very poor to NIB.

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Here are the very rare 112s also in all conditions from very poor to NIB.

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Also, George Stenzel, whom I consider the most knowledgeable person on vintage 110s, told me that he specifically remembers them coming to market in 1976 for a very short period. He thought they were fakes, but found out they were legit.
 
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Stumps said:
Leroy Remer told me that there were very few 112s made with the four pin configuration.
I forget the number he mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it was less than 300 of the 112s.
He also said there wasn't that many 110 4 pins, but that there were quite a few more made than the 112s...again, I don't remember the specific number he mentioned.

I believe Bert is right on the mark from what I know of these.

Below is my collection of that variation in 110s and 112s.

Here are my 110s in all conditions from very poor to NIB.

yyeX0bn.jpg


Here are the very rare 112s also in all conditions from very poor to NIB.

2LSHvBQ.jpg


Also, George Stenzel, whom I consider the most knowledgeable person on vintage 110s, told me that he specifically remembers them coming to market in 1976 for a very short period. He thought they were fakes, but found out they were legit.
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Holy crap! That’s a lotta 4 pins!!
 
I have never seen one in person. Those are just amazing. Someday I will stumble upon one and claim it as my own. And I will love it and carry it. Anyway my hat is off to you Stumps you have some really amazing knives and do truly beautiful work in the handle conversion that you show.
 
Like I mentioned a NIB 5 pin with all paperwork and shieth IS a rare, rare find. I'm guessing most were used. So a pristine slightly used is rare and will sell for a premium the increasingly lower supply of NIB 112 or 110 is to me a investment quality Buck . The fact that it is a known rare variation, easily seen in a listing, means the few remaining examples will be stashed away..
 
I am confused by this 5 pin model. I know of the 4 pin scale plus the rocker pin. Is that what is being called a 5 pin?
 
No wonder that the 5 pin 110 and 112 are hard to find.
Stumps has them all.
:) :) :)

Haebbie
 
This is the only five pin 112 I have. But I think it got the fifth pin later because Stumps has them all.

Haebbie

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