52100 ? for Rex

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Rex why does your company make 5 different types of 52100? What are the advantages one over the other?
 
i may be wrong/// but my understanding from his post was that thru the years there have been five different formulas...not five at once. i may be wrong (often times am)

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Rex, there are probably more than 5. Even of the 5 there will be some variation of the formula because you can't get it exact every time. Plus,as with any thing else, the ball bearing people are striving to find the magic mix that will make theirs the best for the particular application that they are used for. The mill where I got mine does an analysis on every batch and adds things till they are within the customers requirements.
To me that is why it is important to try to get your steel from one source and as much as you can. Even the old saw blades used for making knives should be used one at a time.
I'm not saying that the different batches don't make as good a knife, just that if you use the exact same steel, you can tweak it to maximum performance. Ray Kirk www.tah-usa.net/raker
 
The reason for the different types is because thats what the different customers want. Yes,each receipe will have some variation but must fall within set limits. examples of what I mean are shown below. 52100 Carbon .95-1.10 Manganse.25-.45 Silicon .15-.35 Chrome 1.30-1.60 Moly trace 52100 modified type 2 C .85-1.00 Mn 1.40-1.70 Si .50-.80 Cr 1.40-1.80 Mo trace 52100 modified type 4 C .95-1.10 Mn 1.05-1.35 Si .15-.35 Cr 1.10-1.50 Mo .45-.60 Sorry, its hard to read in in a nontable form. Note- each type has its own receipe with a range that the elements can fall within. However each type has different ranges. Notice some have no molybdenum{Mo} other types {type 4 here} have quite a lot. Carbon can range from .85-1.10 Equally important is how the steel was made, the melt shop practices that each mill usues. These are trade secrets within each company but must follow certain guidelines. These are only a couple of the different types of 52100 that have been made. I have info on several others as well. To make things evan more confusing a steel type called 51100 is /was used for bearings and races. My point is that unless you get an analysis of what you are using its mystery metal.Good results can be had with any of this material but some ,no doubt, will be better than others. I hope this helps. I can send some info if anyone is interested,let me know. I can't type very well and its impossible to post it all. Thanks Rex
 
Rex, How much difference would this make in heat treatment? What time, temp changes would be made for one type against another? I can see that preformance would be different but wouldn't the heat treat be the same? Granted best results come when you remove as many varables as possible. Ray, I'm with you on useing all one batch. I had 4 or 5 knives in the tempering oven some from another sawblade, and they did not temper all the same, took a while before i figured out what happened.
 
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