77OT Small Game Muskrat Research

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77OT Small Game Muskrat Research


The 77OT was a two blade knife built on the 4" stockman frame. It featured two identical 3 1/8" 1095 carbon steel Turkish Clip blades, hinged from opposite ends of the knife. Supposedly this design evolved for use by trappers so that a dulled skinning blade could be renewed as simply as reversing the knife and opening the fresh blade without having to stop and sharpen a master blade while running a trapline. The 77OT first appeared in the Old Timer line in 1976 and listed for ten dollars, and last listed for $34.95 in 2002.

The 77OT used the familiar brown sawcut delrin handles, oblong Old Timer shield, and nickle silver bolsters seen on other production Old Timers, and is often found with an “Improved Muskrat” blade etch on the master blade.

The most direct predecessor of this pattern was the 787 from the open stock line. I first see the 787 with jigged bone handles illustrated in 1953, but I suspect that this pattern is much older than that. (The name "Improved Muskrat" is seen on the #S7814stg in the 1928/38 Catalog E)

From this first illustration onward, the 787 is shown with a federal shield, and some years, the shield was stamped “Improved Muskrat”. In 1957 the 787 is still offered, plus the 787WE appears, and the master blade is serrated with the “Wonda-Edge”. In 1959, the 787ST appears, the newer designation of “stagged” jigged handles. In 1960, it is the 787MP, possibly meerschaum plastic, or marine pearl. In 1962 the handle material is described as “Unbreakable Staglon”, still in a jigged bone pattern with Federal shield. It is called “Muskrat”. Again in 1963 it is listed as a 787MP, and in 1964 as simply 787. From 1968 onward, it is illustrated with an “Improved Muskrat” blade etch.

In 1974 the illustrations finally show the stamp on the shield, as well as the blade etch. The 77OT, the Old Timer version of the 787 Muskrat is introduced in 1976 with sawcut staglon handles, and no blade etch illustrated, and the 77OT received the name “Small Game” in 1978. 1983 was the last year that the 787 appeared in the open stock lineup.

1990 was the year for several new patterns for both the OT and UH lines, and among them was the 877UH, an Uncle Henry Signature series muskrat, albeit with a guthook master blade, in stainless steel with the UH Staglon handles, and named “Pro Skinner”. This was a short lived knife, not listed after 1991 for a two year production. In 1996, the name of the 77OT was changed, adding back the old pattern name to the new, “Small Game Muskrat”. The last catalog appearance of the 77OT Muskrat was in 2002.

At some point, a 77UH was made like the 877UH, but with the true muskrat twin blade configuration. It was used for a Federal Duck Stamp issue in a commemorative tin. The Muskrat with jigged bone handles was also used as one of the patterns of the 2003 “Cigar Box Classics” series using the old federal shield and no etching. While I cannot point out the art and year of issue, it was also used for a scrimshaw.

The 77OT is now being copied by a Chinese factory and sole in The U.S. by TBLLC. There are enough differences that a knowledgeable collector should not be fooled by them.

The 77OT/787 pattern was given jigged bone handles, a”Cattleman” shield, and special blade etch artwork as the Fisherman in the “Classics” set, now known as the “Tradesman” set.

In 2002, it was used as the base knife for the New York Knife Co. 150th Anniversary Knife.



Codger
 
Great history as always. Mike, I don't know if you consider the muskrat with the bird hook as a variant of the same knife, but it too has been offered in several permutations. I happen to like the Schrade Copenhagen muskrat with the gut hook, it's one of my favorite knives.

Here's a couple of photos of other versions that I've seen but don't have yet:




 
As you can see, the Muskrat did not start out in the '20s-30-s with identical blades on each end, though that is the comonly recognized definition these days. I would expect that these were made for E. C. Simmons (Keen Kutter), and Belknap (Primble) as well as Sears (Higgins, Old Crafty, Craftsman), J. C. Pennys, and Wards (Powr-craft?). I think I have seen a SFO of the 77OT made for True Value (Master Mechanic), but don't hold me to that. Blake & Lamb?

Those are some interesting variants. What is the info on the yellow delrin model? 77OTY?

Codger
 
The delrin is simply marked LTD on the tang. Click on this thumbnail for a larger photo with more detail:



If you're interested in the knife, you can find it here:

Schrade Muskrat blank scrim

This is an older Schrade Walden with bone peach seed handles that was described as being made between 1904 and 1940. It recently sold for only $25.00, and illustrates your point about the 2 blades originally being different even though I'm unsure as to whether the smaller blade is in its original configuration:

 
Here is a 7803 3/4 Sportsman's Knife. Look the same?


Codger

Key: 7 = 1 blade on each end of knife
80 = pattern style
3 = bone stag handle material
3/4 = clip pocket blade
 
The local fur buyer still had some in stock when I was there last.Price was about $25,as I recall.
Some bought them from Schrade and sold them under their own name.This one is advertised as a Blake & Lamb.When you blow up the picture,you can see tha Schrade tang stamp.

butchmus


That's from 1971-72.

ron
 
best I can do,at this moment.Wait 2 weeks.

primus


Who made Primbles?

1934 Maher & Grosh version,below:

mgmus


I'm sure the Louisiana trappers are the experts on skinning rats,but I always liked the small pen blades back when we had enough rats to talk about.The new otter stocking programs are getting the blame for the crashing muskrat populations.
I like the swell-butt knives.When your hands get greasy,it's easier to hang onto the knife when you're in a hurry.Rats aren't so bad,but coon are darned greasy.
Ron
 
Dale,
That's a very nice knife!!
In 1934 you could have bought that knife new,for $1.25 !!
Of course,the nation was well into what is now referred to,as the Great Depression.For those that went thru it,it was anything but great.
My parents were lucky to be farmers,so we had enough to eat,unlike many city/town folks. BUT,my Dad had a dairy herd and sold milk ,in bulk,for 9 cents a gallon.
Wonder what the inflation calculator converts $1.25 1934 dollars into today?
Stuff was still pretty cheap in the mid-50's.Center-cut bologna was 25 cents a pound,loaf of bread cost 15 cents,a new 1954 Ford 2 door coupe,with the new 239 cu.inch OVERHEAD valve V8,overdrive tranny,AM radio,and heater sold for $1495 - I still have bill of sale.
Yes,heaters were an option.Southerners didn't need them,I guess.
Maybe someone knows what a Schrade Muskrat sold for in 1955.I'll bet it was less than $3.
Ron
 
Ok,if I can find a '54.
You may have to bring your '64 pickemup up and haul it home.
I see that Primble is almost twice as expensive as that 72 Schrade I posted.
 
Don't it though? Hey, I like your Avatar! :D

You really should hang around more you know. You are missed.
 
I just aquired a couple of old Schrade's and wouldn't you know one of them was a Muskrat,I just happen to see this thread pop up on the New Posts. Figured i pop in and say hi as well as post up a few pics. I'm just starting to research these and don't know much of anything about them.

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**The other one is a 293**
 
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Welcome ixer! Nice pair of old knives! The 787 was produced after Schrade Walden became Schrade, circa 1973. For a few years the marking on the tang included the "N.Y.", so a guesstimate is that it was nade in the early to mid 1970's. Nice finds!
 
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