99% OT, and a little boredom: Revolver Barrel Length

samoand said:
I thought at first that this behemoth is their .500 . Nope. It's .45 with 2330 fps initial velocity and 250 yards straight shot distance. Made me wonder: is it S&W preemptive strike against possible anti-.500 legislations?
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I saw the weight, 73 oz, and had too go search and sure enough it is almost as heavy as the old Colt .45 Walker. The Colt was 4.5 pounds and the S&W is 4-9/16 pounds!!!!:cool:

Get the long one Munk, hell you only go around once, do it with Gusto!!!!:p ;) :D :cool:
 
Near sighted. A common ailment for us old timers :D
The standard target drill is to focus your dominant eye on the front sight, let the rear sight go out-of-focus and pray that you are lined up with the target. As we age, the "depth of field" of our eyes diminishes, and this becomes less feasible. Shortening the distance between front and rear sigh makes sight acquisition easier for me. A 4"- 5" is just right for me. :D
 
Bri- I think I have the problem regardless of the distance between sights. Plus my dominant eye is damaged and no longer as good as my left eye. I may have to start shooting with an entirely different system.



Yvsa- I agree!! 72 oz! Unloaded! And those cartridges are heavy! So, if you carry all that- why not carry the Marlin Guide gun with a compensator and the 45/70 backing you up? Less pressure and the same great results.

I never owned a long barrel. I just think it would be a lot of fun to shoot.
The thing is exactly like the cannon on a Battleship.


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munk
 
Ok had to chime in here, personal I can't shoot revolvers with barrels that long, however I had a 3 inch S&W model 60 in 38 that was a tack driver for me, and the Detonics 45 I owned had a 3 inch barrel and could get 3 inch groups at 20 yards with 185 Winchester Silvertips. Guess Im more partial to small hidey type guns. But whatever works for the person is best I guess.


James
 
munk said:
Norm,

There's a lot of folks in this forum it would be great to shoot with. 45/70, Rusty, Spectre, Raghorn, Semper fi, we could even design a shooting bench for Yvsa. There's Nasty, Heber, RoadR....the list goes on and on. I shouldn't have listed anybody because the list just keeps going and I wouldn't want to leave anyone out.


This pal and I kept hitting a rock at some 'fur' distance, and there was none of the competitive aggression so often felt. Looseness, I guess, is the main thing, relaxing and having a good time.

munk
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Thanks for including me munk. That is the thing that I like the most about hanging out with gun guys. There is a general lack of competitiveness between them. Sure we like to win, but we don't generally let the desire to win, either become nastiness (not you, errr acting Boorish) or oen up mans ship. In my experience it becomes like a brotherhood.

Comraden is a good word.
 
45/70
That's the best of our Clan. We want to learn the facts, so we spill it out and see if it jives with what the other fella's heard. Firearms do not lend themselves to gray areas. There is an awesome responsibility. That responsibility seems to help people grow. I think of things like that as natural law. An intrinsic which binds the universe. Lot's of religious stuff here too, I could easily say God's Plan. You want peace? Become armed. Things are not what they appear to be, and the truth is hidden beyond the obvious. You want an end to poverty? Feeding people free government cheese for 3 generations does not do this.

Actually, the truth is obvious, but it's hidden in plain sight.

I'm getting back to my firearms, because without them and other life pursuits I was under too much pressure.

Talking about them here on the forum brings the taste of what it's like to be out there in the Mojave, shooting with friends, walking your shots up to the brown rock against the ridge line. I miss those days. It doesn't take much to feel free. A simple thing will do it. Discharging a firearm miles from a road could hardly change the vote on a bill in Congress. And it won't stop the Officer put in a position to enforce too many blasted laws, countless violations of both civil and criminal behaviors available to we in our Idiot Mad Civilization.
It can't change the lifeless and neutral paperwork which discharge some employees while others are being hired, paper which puts X number of people out of work because of a snail in location Y no one's ever heard of. Can't stop the forest being burnt down to ash in California because of laws passed to save the forest. Can't stop the Enron's of the World chewing up life savings and spitting out some mid level goon who was hardly the problem to serve time in jail for the whole rotten system. It was once a fad of our culture to end strident and run-on paragraphs like this with the phrase from Vonnegut's Slaughter House Five: And So It Goes...

There are simply a million ways to experience the fact we are powerless before the face of all that is. And there are simply a million ways to find freedom in this same face. Eat a good piece of pie. Enjoy the first cup of coffee in the morning. Watch the Sun rise. Read a good book. Talk to a friend. Take a walk. Watch a 40 year old TV program you hated when new but laugh like crazy over now. Draw a picture. Wash the dishes. Make love to your wife or girlfriend. Make love to someonel...er no.. .. drive a car, make something with your hands, shoot a boulder in the desert your friend said no one could possibly hit.

And remember to do a good day of work, and let it go.


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munk
 
Just the other day, I took a walk and had a talk with a woman from "Environmental." "Environmental" what, I don't know, but the Navy sent her and it was my job to show her the sights. As the unofficial local historian, it was also my job to talk with her. Her concern was just how much it would take (and cost) to clean up the Camp.

She wanted to know about what was being shot, where. She seemed like a nice lady that was genuinely devoted to her job. When I mentioned the 40mm grenades on the condemned outdoor rifle range, she was genuinely surprised. This had been going on for years, yet there was no offical record of it. When I mentioned the zinc base plugs, she was genuinely alarmed. I mentioned the shot-up 50's-era cars back in the woods as a favor but I left out most of the story...she wasn't ready to hear it, and that's only what I know. I've been here for 1 year. The military has been here for over 70 years.

Moral of the story: all that lead ends up somewhere and one day, someone will have to remove it. This is more expensive than one thinks. Keep it in mind, and keep it in one place.
 
munk, I say go for it. I haven't shot a handgun with a tube over 8", and don't own one over 6". Might be fun, and like you said, you can always have it cut down. You could do it in steps, heck, maybe a 9" is golden :) :confused: Don't like pistolovers with more oomph than a .357 since I buggered my wrists. Marlin used to list a lever gun in .480 and .475 Linebaugh; looked last night and they don't anymore. Would be great on black bear and oinkers says I.

stevo
 
stevomiller said:
Marlin used to list a lever gun in .480 and .475 Linebaugh; looked last night and they don't anymore. Would be great on black bear and oinkers says I.

stevo
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Not trying to hijack the thread here but what would be a good calibre for Brown Bear? Aren't they the same as what most folks call Grizzlys?
We have one at the zoo and he is almost twice the size of the black bears out there!!!!
I'll bet his front claws measure 3"-4" if they were off and cleaned, maybe more!!!! :eek:
They had given the Spectacled Bear what looked like a short ham joint today, looked too be smoked. They were really enjoying the treat!!!!!

Another thing about Grizzlys, or Brown Bears as the case may be. I have heard that there was onece a Prairie Grizz as well as the Woodland Grizz. You're supposed too be able to tell the difference between the claws as the Prairie Grizz'es were white and the Woodland Grizz'es were black.
Our Brown Bear has almost white claws. more ivory looking. If they aren't the same I'm betting they were calling the Brown Bear the Prairie Grizz, you think?:confused:

Would one shot in a Contender be enough and do they make the Contender big enough for Grizz?
I wouldn't want too shoot anything that big with just one hand!!!! :eek: :rolleyes: :p
 
There used to be Grizzlies on the prarrie. The Coastal Brown Bear is just a Grizzly. They ate so many salmon they grew bigger than the Mountain Grizzly eventually.

The things you can hunt a Brown bear with are not neccesarily the same things that stop a charge if he's wounded and coming.

munk
 
I think it's Wild West guns up in Alaska, the one that does takedown conversions of the Marlin 45/70 and 450 Marlin, and who converts the 348's by Winchester or Browning into 450 Alaskans or 500 Alaskan that also converts some lever-gun into 500 S&W. Don't have a link to it offhand,
 
If I were out for big bear, I'd take the largest, most powerful caliber I could shoot well. I would think that a 12 guage with a sabot would be a minimum, and I would not trust anything under the level of a 30-06. That is a bit light, from what I have read.
Some people recommend a 338 Win Mag, others a 35 Whelan. I think that something like a 300 Mag would be light, but I have met people who used a 30 cal mag on big bear.
They had a guide with them.
I don't think that I could handle the blast or recoil from really heavy calibers, and would probably take a 12 guage if I wanted protection while visiting the wild. To hunt them, I'd have to try much heavier calibers than I have shot or own.
 
For hunting close griz or brownies, I'd like a Marlin .45-70 with PMC 350 grain or better ammo...or a .416 Rigby, .458 Mag or Lott, or a 9.3x64mm.

For pure self-defense, I'd be fine with a good pump w/ a decent weather-resistant finish and Brenneke slugs. I have a dream of making a line of saboted bear-defense slugs one day, to use 400 grain .45 hard cast flatpoints. Garrett said he wasn't interested in the concept, but I figure that lots of folks would be more willing to shell out some bucks for premium defensive ammo for their shotguns, than actually buy a dedicated .45-70 and then shell out a pretty fair penny for premium ammo (not a dig at Garrett; Randy's always come across as a decent guy to me, you just pay for quality).

John
 
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